Who Will Rule Them All?

[Lilla]

It would be over my dead body if anybody but the Danish Royal Family should be the rulers of Denmark. If they were to be put aside for the benefit of a United States of Europe I would join the resistance movement and fight the idea with guns and arms. If the resistance battle was lost and if I was not killed in the battle - I would become a vehemently republican in regard to the United States of Europe and at the same time an uncompromising separatist in regard to Denmark.

My goal would be the reestablishment of Denmark as a sovereign nation and the restoration of the Danish monarchy with the present royal family reinstated on the throne.

Ps: I am a strong supporter of the EU (including the admission of Turkey as a memberstate) and I want the EU to become even more connected then what is reality today. BUT not on the expense of the Danish monarcy and Danish sovereignty. Never!

[Odette]

Originally Posted by Lilla

It would be over my dead body if anybody but the Danish Royal Family should be the rulers of Denmark. .

My goal would be the reestablishment of Denmark as a sovereign nation and the restoration of the Danish monarchy with the present royal family reinstated on the throne.

Ps: I am a strong supporter of the EU (including the admission of Turkey as a memberstate) and I want the EU to become even more connected then what is reality today. BUT not on the expense of the Danish monarcy and Danish sovereignty. Never!

O.K Lilla, before you get your guns and ammo ready, This is a what if that would never become a reality. One beautiful thing in Europe is the individual character of each nation and its traditions and distinct differences. It was awful enough (for me at least) when the local currencies were changed for the euro. There would never be one royal family that rules the entire Europe.
On the P.S issue it will be impossible to have the smaller European States have any input in a decision. According to the constitution of EU the countries with the largest population have more votes and more weight in deciding Europe's future. If Turkey is admitted to the EU with 65 plus million people small countries will be pushed into the background and have less say in their future and that of the Union.

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Odette

On the P.S issue it will be impossible to have the smaller European States have any input in a decision. According to the constitution of EU the countries with the largest population have more votes and more weight in deciding Europe's future. If Turkey is admitted to the EU with 65 plus million people small countries will be pushed into the background and have less say in their future and that of the Union.

I see your point, but as long as the EU is based upon domocracy I can't regard the admission of Turkey as a memberstate to be a threat - not even to a smaller European countrie like Denmark. It is a gain

By the way - in Denmark we still have our own currencie - DKK. A change to the euro can only be done by a referendum.

Anyway - this is politics and as such not allowed to be discussed on the forum.

[Odette]

Originally Posted by Lilla

I see your point, but as long as the EU is based upon domocracy I can't regard the admission of Turkey as a memberstate to be a threat - not even to a smaller European countrie like Denmark. It is a gain

By the way - in Denmark we still have our own currencie - DKK. A change to the euro can only be done by a referendum.

Anyway - this is politics and as such not allowed to be discussed on the forum.

I suppose the original question was which Royal family will rule Europe and the answer IMHO would be none. I doubt most royal houses will exist in their present form in another 1 or 2 generations.
Why do you think the Danish wish to maintain their currency and still be a member state of the EU?

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Odette

I suppose the original question was which Royal family will rule Europe and the answer IMHO would be none. I doubt most royal houses will exist in their present form in another 1 or 2 generations.
Why do you think the Danish wish to maintain their currency and still be a member state of the EU?

Maintaining our currency is IMO an emotional thing. Danes are very nationalistic and the DKK with the portrait of our Queen/King is a national symbol. In the future a new referendum will be held - I am sure - but whether we will give up the DKK or not is impossible to predict. Every sound government of Denmark will advise people to vote for the Euro as it is a sensible thing to do from an economic point of view. But quite frankly I don't think the Danes will let go of the DKK........

Anyway maintaining the DKK does not prevent Denmark from the benefits of the EU regarding inter-state trade. The latter is IMO the reason for the membership and why 65 plus million Turks are very much welcomed into the EU if I had things my way
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By the way, the Swedes also have maintained their currency the SEK.

[UserDane]

...as have the British

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by UserDane

...as have the British

......................you are right UserDane, thanks for the addition .

[Bones]

The more united Europe becomes the less I see monarchies surviving in any real way. They would always have a "national" element to them and the pan-Europeans would probably not favor that, not to mention most of Europe is republican and opposed to monarchy and would probably vote away the ones that are left. Also, as the population of Europe becomes increasingly less European (in the ethnic sense) there will likely be a push to start over in a cultural way, sort of 'out with the old' and something totally new will develop.


But, all of that being said, if this were some alternate reality the most likely pan-European royal family I could think of would be the Hapsburgs. They come to mind for a number of reasons:

1. Archduke Otto von Hapsburg was an early leader in the push for European unity.
2. The Hapsburgs have experience reigning over very diverse subject nations.
3. The Hapsburgs probably ruled over more of Europe than any other royal family -not counting the Bonapartes who conquered everyone.
4. They are an old and generally respected family which has already been involved in European government.
5. They are the heirs of the old Holy Roman Empire and with the adoption of the Treaty of Rome the pan-European movement has often been associated with the Roman Empire.
6. They have a history that stretches across western, central and eastern Europe.
7. At one point in history Ireland, England, Portugal, Spain, parts of Italy, the Low Countries, Germany and Austria all had a Hapsburg monarch.

So if I had to choose that would seem the most reasonable to me. I will add though that my ideal is for lots of little countries instead of great, big massive ones. I prefer all government to be as local as possible. The farther away the government gets from the governed the more wasteful, corrupt and downright weird it becomes. That's my 2 cents anyway.

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Bones

I will add though that my ideal is for lots of little countries instead of great, big massive ones. I prefer all government to be as local as possible. The farther away the government gets from the governed the more wasteful, corrupt and downright weird it becomes. That's my 2 cents anyway.

I absolutly agree with you Bones. And I also see your point about the Habsburgs - a very logical choice. They can rule the parts of Europe that used to be The Holy Roman Empire while spending the Euros these countries already are using as currency.

The northeren countries will do just fine on our own and with our own royal families (UK, Norway, Sweden and Denmark) - and our own currencies (UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland) .

By the way the Bonapartes did not conquer all of Europe. The UK and the Scandinavian/Nordic countries were never under French supremacy.

[Little_star]

If some sort of "United Europe" were formed then I sincerely doubt any monarchy would be involved.

If one were to be chosen then the only logical choice would be the British RF, or at a stretch, the Spanish RF. The others are too insignificant and minor to have any major impact.

[Lilla]

What significance, grandeur and major impact do you ascribe to The British and Spanish Royal families that surpasses the other royal families in Europe?

[Madame Royale]

Popularity, I guess. Though I find that the Scandinavian RF exhibit more pomp and ceremony than most other European RF, myself.

[lilytornado]

Originally Posted by Lilla

The northeren countries will do just fine on our own and with our own royal families (UK, Norway, Sweden and Denmark) - and our own currencies (UK, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland) .

Finland uses the Euro, too

[Lilla]

My mistake Thanks for the correction, Lilytornado

[Russophile]

My vote goes to Sauron and the one Ring of Power to Rule them all. . .

[UserDane]

Originally Posted by Russophile

My vote goes to Sauron and the one Ring of Power to Rule them all. . .

ONLY if they will feature Viggo Mortensen on their coins then..

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Russophile

My vote goes to Sauron and the one Ring of Power to Rule them all. . .

Originally Posted by UserDane

ONLY if they will feature Viggo Mortensen on their coins then..

Great idea, Russophile and UserDane

[Kotroman]

I too agree with Bones - if any royal house should reign over whole Europe, it should be the House of Habsburg-Lorraine.

[Little_star]

QEII is head of the Commonwealth, an organisation of 53 nations and is the Monarch of 16 of those nations. She has the experience and standing to deal with a theoretical United Europe as a result.

Moreover like the Spanish, the British RF is well-respected in political circles as well, and like her Spanish counterpart QEII is a fairly well-repected stateswoman in her own right. The only other European monarch besides these two who could come close would probably be Queen Beatrix.

[Lilla]

Thats is your oppinion Little Star which you of course are entitled to have . I would prefere Sauron though, as Russophile surgested, to any of the above mentioned monarchs .

Anyway - thanks for your answer.