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Old 08-20-2018, 04:40 PM
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I think gender equality for titles is a good idea. But I don't know if it's better for male spouses to be made kings consort or female spouses to be made princesses consort.
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Old 08-20-2018, 06:47 PM
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It is pretty simple:

The Sovereign is The King or The Queen
The Consort is The Prince or The Princess

HM The Queen (Victoria)
HRH The Prince (Daniel)

HM The King (Christian)
HRH The Princess (spouse)

HM The Queen (Catharina-Amalia)
HRH The Prince (spouse)

HM The King (Charles)
HRH The Princess (Camilla)

Etc.

Perfectly gender neutral and a solution honouring the difference in Sovereigns and consorts.
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:00 PM
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It is pretty simple:

The Sovereign is The King or The Queen
The Consort is The Prince or The Princess

HM The Queen (Victoria)
HRH The Prince (Daniel)

HM The King (Christian)
HRH The Princess (spouse)

HM The Queen (Catharina-Amalia)
HRH The Prince (spouse)

HM The King (Charles)
HRH The Princess (Camilla)

Etc.

Perfectly gender neutral and a solution honouring the difference in Sovereigns and consorts.
The problem is that, while there is only one king or queen ( barring a widow or an emeritus), there are many princes. If you call the husband of a Queen the prince consort, his rank/ precedence is confused with that of his children for example, which is undesirable.
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So we go crazy and title the Queen's husband Queen's Consort and the Kings's wife King's Consort. No confusion. Or make up a gender neutral title for either.
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:16 PM
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So we go crazy and title the Queen's husband Queen's Consort and the Kings's wife King's Consort. No confusion. Or make up a gender neutral title for either.
I have no objection to a new gender-neutral title as long as both male and female consorts have the style of Majesty as their spouses. What I object to is a male consort having the same style as his children ( Royal Highness) and a lower style than his wife.
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Old 08-20-2018, 07:23 PM
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I have no objection to a new gender-neutral title as long as both male and female consorts have the style of Majesty as their spouses. What I object to is a male consort having the same style as his children ( Royal Highness) and a lower style than his wife.
I think as long as it is clear they are not the Monarch, (as is seems the biggest issue is with a Queen's husband being titled King) the Monarch's spouse should be given more rank and courtesy than all others but the Monarch.
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Old 08-21-2018, 12:14 AM
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reina i'm sorry to say but this world is obessed with how beautiful you are no matter how much plastic work you've had done, your body-the thinner you are the better and how you dress.
its sad to say that if you are smart no one cares but how u look..now thats a horse of a different color
Exactly, and they'll always compare you to your sister in-laws and mother in laws (In case of Kate). Overlooking your own work
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:57 AM
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The problem is that, while there is only one king or queen ( barring a widow or an emeritus), there are many princes. If you call the husband of a Queen the prince consort, his rank/ precedence is confused with that of his children for example, which is undesirable.

There is no problem. It is the same was with The King (Philippe, Felipe) versus King Albert II, King Juan Carlos. In Denmark, for decades it was Hendes Majestæt Dronningen / Hans Kongelige Højhed Prinsen (HM The Queen / HRH The Prince).

In the Netherlands it was always "de Koningin en de Prins" (The Queen and the Prince). In 1980 Prince Claus refused to be know as De Prins, out of respect for Prince Bernhard, who was The Prince from 6 januari 1937 tot 30 april 1980. Instead he requested to be referred as Prince Claus. In the end Prince Bernhard would outlive his son-in-law, so the title The Prince of the Netherlands was never used by Claus.

Máxima would have been H.K.H. de Prinses der Nederlanden, was it not for the last moment that the Cabinet tought it was "undesirable" that Máxima was "lower" than other female spouses. (Apparently it was not "undesirable" for male spouses...). The Cabinet came with the solution to refer Máxima by her titre de coutoisie as spouse of the King, rather than by her rightful and very own title.
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The title of The Prince Consort was finally declared for Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha on June 26, 1857. He was actually awarded the title by Letters Patent four days later.
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