Orders & Sashes - Page 23

**Stefan** · #**441** 11-07-2015, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by eya

Thank you all. Finally it is very interesting. Although not finished reading yet I want to say something that it impressed me though most will know it. The English Order of the Garter have all current and former kings but has not taken King Albert of Belgium. Strange unless not happened.

the reason that King Albert II. has not received the order of the Garter is that there ws not State Visit between the 2 country during his reign. Neither a british State Visit to the UK and also no british State Visit to Belgium. But he has the Royal Victorian Order.

eya · #**442** 11-07-2015, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

the reason that King Albert II. has not received the order of the Garter is that there ws not State Visit between the 2 country during his reign. Neither a british State Visit to the UK and also no british State Visit to Belgium. But he has the Royal Victorian Order.

Now explained. I know that is irrelevant for this Thread but because mention when was the last state official visit between the two countries?

Mbruno · #**443** 11-07-2015, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by eya

Now explained. I know that is irrelevant for this Thread but because mention when was the last state official visit between the two countries?

King Baudouin paid a state visit to Britain in 1963 and Queen Elizabeth II paid a state visit to Belgium in 1966. King Baudouin was a Stranger Knight of the Order of the Garter.

**An Ard Ri** · #**444** 11-07-2015, 04:25 PM

Did the late Queen Fabiola ever wear any orders?

I can't ever recall seeing any photos.

Mbruno · #**445** 11-07-2015, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

Did the late Queen Fabiola ever wear any orders?

I can't ever recall seeing any photos.

One possible reason is that, besides the Belgian order of Leopold, Queen Fabiola was awarded foreign orders only from Spain, Portugal, and the Holy See, which is somewhat surprising given the amount of time she was queen consort. Does anyone know why that was the case ?

maria-olivia · #**446** 11-07-2015, 04:58 PM

Queen Fabiola never wore Sashes.

She wore only her Pro Ecesia et Pontifice Decoration when She was in Rome.

Mbruno · #**447** 11-07-2015, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Queen Fabiola never wore Sashes.

She wore only her Pro Ecesia et Pontifice Decoration when She was in Rome.

Thanks, Maria Olivia. Was she against wearing orders for some (maybe religious) reason and systematically declined them ? I am asking because King Baudouin made lots of state visits during his reign while he was married to Fabiola, including to countries like the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark, Luxembourg, etc. I don't understand why Fabiola was never given orders from those countries then.

maria-olivia · #**448** 11-07-2015, 05:07 PM

It is not known if she refused the Order or refused to wear Orders.

They did such a lot State Visits.

On the contrary, Queen Paola is the first Queen who wore Sashes but never our Leopold order.

On the contrary , on her first Official Picture Queen Mathilde wore the Sash of the Leopold Order.

eya · #**449** 11-08-2015, 05:51 AM

This is indeed a mystery that Queen Fabiola has not Orders or at least have them alone. With her husband she went on several official visits. I seem strange not to have offered or the same to not accepted them. Mystery.

Tilia C. · #**450** 11-08-2015, 06:01 AM

I have read somewhere that Queen Fabiola did not wear worldly orders for religious reasons. She only wore the order from the vatican because it was an order from the catholic church. But I don't know if there is a hard source for this reasoning, or if it is just something that people have deducted because of the way she wore orders.

Von Schlesian · #**451** 02-22-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyalistRiley

Why would they wear the Thistle instead of the Garter sash? Shouldn't it only have precedence in Scotland as the Garter is the more senior order nationwide?

Forgive the seven years it has taken to reply to this question. In the context of the State Opening of Parliament, on occasions when HRH The Duke of Edinburgh wears the uniform of Admiral of the Fleet, he wears the Collar, Badge (George) and Star of the Order of the Garter. This is the maximum amount of insignia of that order that may be worn at once. For that reason, as he is wearing the Garter collar, he wears the Sash, Badge and Star of his next most senior order (in this case, the Order of the Thistle).

To illustrate this point, if he was not a member of the Order of the Thistle, his next most senior order (other than the Order of Merit and Royal Victorian Chain, which only consist of one piece of insignia) would be his Sash, Badge and Star of a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire. He would wear the Collar, Badge and Star of the Order of the Garter and Sash, Badge and Star of the Order of the British Empire. This is only a hypothetical, other than occasions specifically relating to the Order of the British Empire (of which he is still Grand Master), the Duke of Edinburgh rarely wears any insignia or that order, other than the miniature when in evening dress, or the GBE Star when in Army uniform, which permits three stars to be worn at once.

I hope that helps.

IloveCP · #**452** 07-15-2017, 09:32 AM

Sorry if this has been posted in another thread:

http://people.com/royals/why-princes...ress-up-close/

Mbruno · #**453** 07-15-2017, 10:06 AM

Photo from the Spanish state dinner at Buckingham Palace

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEjxyxyXcAAiyg9.jpg

King Felipe is wearing the Order of the Golden Fleece (Sovereign's Neck Insignia, I suppose) and the riband, badge and star of the Order of the Garter (a rare combination indeed !) . Queen Elizabeth is also wearing the Golden Fleece (Dame's Ribbon Insignia).

Queen Letizia and Prince Philip are both wearing the sash of the Royal and Distinguished Spanish Order of Charles III (Carlos III in Spanish). Can anyone identify Prince Philip's stars ? One of them should be the star of the Order of Charles III, but what about the other one (I can't see it in the picture) ? Also, which order is Philip wearing around his neck ? The Order of Merit perhaps ?

BTW, Wikipedia is now saying on its List of Honours of the British Royal Family article that Harry, Andrew and Anne got the grade of Grand Cross in the Order of Isabella the Catholic. I am not sure if that information is correct, as the grade has not been confirmed yet AFAIK, but if it is, it only adds to the mystery of why they didn't wear the sash of Isabella the Catholic at the banquet.

Rudolph · #**454** 07-15-2017, 10:12 AM

The Order of Merit is around his neck and the stars would be British Empire and Thistle?

Does he not wear his Garter star with a foreign order?

maria-olivia · #**455** 07-15-2017, 03:46 PM

Is the Princess Royal the only one Lady who wears the Garter sash ?
before her Princess Margaret ? the former Princess Royal ??
Never Kent or Gloucester Princesses ?

sophie25 · #**456** 07-15-2017, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Is the Princess Royal the only one Lady who wears the Garter sash ?
before her Princess Margaret ? the former Princess Royal ??
Never Kent or Gloucester Princesses ?

Alexandra of Kent also is a Lady of the Garter

maria-olivia · #**457** 07-15-2017, 05:55 PM

Thanks Sophie.

Bryce · #**458** 07-23-2017, 09:25 AM

[QUOTE=Mbruno;2002938]

King Felipe is wearing the Order of the Golden Fleece (Sovereign's Neck Insignia, I suppose) and the riband, badge and star of the Order of the Garter (a rare combination indeed !)

This combination of orders would probably only be worn by the Spanish sovereign when attending formal British events.

Here are photos of King Juan Carlos and King Alfonso XIII wearing the same combination. For this formal British portrait, King Alfonso is, in addition to other medals and insignia, is also wearing the Royal Victorian Chain.

Bryce · #**459** 07-23-2017, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno

BTW, Wikipedia is now saying on its List of Honours of the British Royal Family article that Harry, Andrew and Anne got the grade of Grand Cross in the Order of Isabella the Catholic. I am not sure if that information is correct, as the grade has not been confirmed yet AFAIK, but if it is, it only adds to the mystery of why they didn't wear the sash of Isabella the Catholic at the banquet.

I was wondering the same thing.

The Princess Royal, The Duke of York and Prince Harry all escorted TM's on various parts of their State Visit and as a thank you have been presented with The Order of Isabella the Catholic.

There are a number of grades to this Order and I am wondering if perhaps they received a grade (maybe "Commander by Number") to which the sash is not part of the insignia in the same way that Prince Harry's grade of the Royal Victorian Order does not include a sash.

You can see Prince Harry's breast star here to the left (on the right is his RVO breast star):

Bryce · #**460** 07-23-2017, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno

Queen Letizia and Prince Philip are both wearing the sash of the Royal and Distinguished Spanish Order of Charles III (Carlos III in Spanish). Can anyone identify Prince Philip's stars ? One of them should be the star of the Order of Charles III, but what about the other one (I can't see it in the picture) ? Also, which order is Philip wearing around his neck ? The Order of Merit perhaps ?

Prince Philip would be wearing the breast star or The Order of Charles III and his Garter star. It is hard to see in most of the photos but a bit easier is you watch a video of the Royal progression into the ballroom for the State Dinner.

Prince Charles wears his star of the Order of Charles III and his Garter star.

The Duke of Cambridge wears his Garter and Thistle stars.

Prince Harry wears his star of the Order of Isabella the Catholic and his star of the Royal Victorian Order.

You can also see a quick glimpse of The Duke of York wearing two stars - most likely the Order of Isabella the Catholic and his Garter star.

I am having trouble with The Princess Royal. I am pretty sure that she is wearing the star of the Order of Isabella the Catholic at the state Dinner, but I am not sure if she is wearing her Garter star.

Surprisingly, at the Guildhall dinner the next night, The Princess Royal is wearing her Garter sash and the star of the Order of Isabella the Catholic but NOT her Garter star. Perhaps it is too uncomfortable with all of those pointy stars??!!

EDIT - I stand corrected. In this better picture, you can see her Garter star further back round her waist.
This makes things right as I would not expect The PR to get something like this "wrong".

Here is a link is PP at a previous Spanish stare visit
https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl...act=mrc&uact=8

Here is [a new picture] of The Princess Royal at the Guildhall. EDIT - If you click on it to enlarge you can see both stars.