General Things About Royals

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by Furienna

Not necessarily. We went from having no women at all in the succession to full equal primogeniture within one generation.

That were more due to changes in society at large, as men and women are considered to be equal today, but still there are women in Sweden who changes their surname to their husband's when they get married, and it's still more common that the children get their father's surname than the mother's. The man is still seen as the head of the family, regardless of equal primogeniture or not when it comes to royals.

[Marc23]

One question:

An example of marriage between Prince Ioann of Russia and Princess Helen of Serbia.

Who would take precedence in Russian court?

All princes and princesses of Imperial blood were His/Her Highness,while in this example a wife of a Highness is Royal Highness.

Would she outrank her husband and all princes and princesses of imperial blood?

[QueenEmpath]

I have a Question regarding courtesy. So other member of royal family and foreign diplomats are supposed to courtesy/Bow before The Queen. But what about someone from equal status? . Would Queen Rania of Jordan or Empress Mitchiko of Japan does courtesy?
Sorry, English isn't my first language

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by QueenEmpath

I have a Question regarding courtesy. So other member of royal family and foreign diplomats are supposed to courtesy/Bow before The Queen. But what about someone from equal status? . Would Queen Rania of Jordan or Empress Mitchiko of Japan does courtesy?
Sorry, English isn't my first language

Neither Queen Rania nor Empress Michiko are expected to curstsy to Queen Elizabeth II as they are of the same rank as the Queen, i.e "Her Majesty".


GD Maria Teresa of Luxembourg (an HRH) or Princess Charlene of Monaco (an HSH) should in principle curtsy to a reigning queen like Queen Elizabeth II. Most posters on this forum think they should not do it though, because they are marrried to a Head of State. I personally disagree with that opinion.

[Kingen]

What future royal events or gatherings could we expect in the upcoming years? It could be milestone birthdays, jubilees or anniversaries, and are they likely to be marked and celebrated with fellow European royals?

Denmark
16 April 2020 - Queen Margrethe's 80th Birthday
14 January 2022 - Queen Margrethe's Golden Jubilee
5 February 2022 - Crown Princess Mary's 50th Birthday

Sweden
23 December 2018 - Queen Silvia's 75th Birthday
30 April 2021 - King Carl Gustaf's 75th Birthday
15 September 2023 - King Carl Gustaf's Golden Jubilee
15 September 2023 - Prince Daniel's 50th Birthday

Norway
21 February & 4 July 2022 - King Harald & Queen Sonja's 85th Birthdays
20 July 2023 - Crown Prince Haakon's 50th Birthday

[CyrilVladisla]

The husband of a queen regnant of Portugal could only be titled King after the queen regnant gave birth to an heir. Queen Maria II's second husband first had the title of Prince Consort Ferdinand of Portugal. After Maria became the mother of an heir Pedro V, Ferdinand became King Ferdinand II of Portugal (jure uxoris).

[ronald biver]

Originally Posted by Mbruno

Neither Queen Rania nor Empress Michiko are expected to curtsey to Queen Elizabeth II as they are of the same rank as the Queen, i.e "Her Majesty".


GD Maria Teresa of Luxembourg (an HRH) or Princess Charlene of Monaco (an HSH) should in principle curtsy to a reigning queen like Queen Elizabeth II. Most posters on this forum think they should not do it though, because they are married to a Head of State. I personally disagree with that opinion.

During the state visit of the king & queen of the Netherlands (few years ago) Grand Duchess Maria Teresa of Luxembourg did not curtsey for the Dutch king & queen, as she is the wife of the head of state of Luxembourg (Grand Duke)

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Kingen

What future royal events or gatherings could we expect in the upcoming years? It could be milestone birthdays, jubilees or anniversaries, and are they likely to be marked and celebrated with fellow European royals?

Denmark
16 April 2020 - Queen Margrethe's 80th Birthday
14 January 2022 - Queen Margrethe's Golden Jubilee
5 February 2022 - Crown Princess Mary's 50th Birthday

Sweden
23 December 2018 - Queen Silvia's 75th Birthday
30 April 2021 - King Carl Gustaf's 75th Birthday
15 September 2023 - King Carl Gustaf's Golden Jubilee
15 September 2023 - Prince Daniel's 50th Birthday

Norway
21 February & 4 July 2022 - King Harald & Queen Sonja's 85th Birthdays
20 July 2023 - Crown Prince Haakon's 50th Birthday

From what I understand King Carl Gustav's Golden jubilee will also be coupled with the celebrations of the 500th anniversary of Gustav Vasa being elected king after liberating Sweden from the Danes.

[Kingen]

Originally Posted by JR76

From what I understand King Carl Gustav's Golden jubilee will also be coupled with the celebrations of the 500th anniversary of Gustav Vasa being elected king after liberating Sweden from the Danes.

Indeed. We have to wait and see the program, but I assume the 500th anniversary will culminate on June 6th, the National Day, that is the day Gustav Vasa was elected King.

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Lee-Z

imo if changes are going to be made then it would be more in keeping with modern times to not automatically get the spouses title upon marriage, so eliminate the "queen-consort" concept...

Regardless of that, every woman married to a King will be a consort whether it’s openly stated or not.

Originally Posted by MrAriyeh

LaPlus Belle is correct in his/her response. There's more to this information. Philip, Constantine, Paul, all are Danish princes themselves. They're members of the House of Schleswig-Holstein Sonderborg-Glucksborg (or Glucksborg for short). Greece in mid 1800's extended the invitation of an empty throne to the Glocksborgs. I believe only the royal courts of UK and the Netherlands still recognize the throne of Greece even though Greece itself abolished the monarchy.

I don't understand why Constantine is still "clutching" on something that doesn't exist anymore. His wife, Anne Marie is the sister of Sofia, the previous Queen of Spain, the mother of the current Spanish monarch, Juan Felipe.

He’s not clutching on anything, he was a King before the monarchy was abolished.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by MrAriyeh

I believe only the royal courts of UK and the Netherlands still recognize the throne of Greece even though Greece itself abolished the monarchy.



I don't understand why Constantine is still "clutching" on something that doesn't exist anymore.

Nobody is recognising the now defunct throne of Greece, but the courts of Europe recognise the position and titles of King Constantine and his family. All in accordance with European traditions and protocol. All European nations recognise the republican government of Greece.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by JR76

Nobody is recognising the now defunct throne of Greece, but the courts of Europe recognise the position and titles of King Constantine and his family. All in accordance with European traditions and protocol. All European nations recognise the republican government of Greece.

Once a King always a King. Titles are not lost. King Konstantine has been and will stay a King. He is just not King of Greece anymore.
People make a fuss about using royal titles of non reigning houses but still use the title for an Admiral or a President, even if they are not active anymore.

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[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by JR76

Nobody is recognising the now defunct throne of Greece, but the courts of Europe recognise the position and titles of King Constantine and his family. All in accordance with European traditions and protocol. All European nations recognise the republican government of Greece.

My understanding is that the protocol in Greece does not recognize any elevated position or titles for the ex-king.

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

He’s not clutching on anything, he was a King before the monarchy was abolished.

By the same logic Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands is entitled to call herself Queen: She was a monarch before her abdication, and her monarchy has not even been abolished.

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

Once a King always a King. Titles are not lost. King Konstantine has been and will stay a King. He is just not King of Greece anymore.
People make a fuss about using royal titles of non reigning houses but still use the title for an Admiral or a President, even if they are not active anymore.

I'm quite sure there would be a great deal of "fuss" if, say, Prince Andrew of the UK were to revert to using the military titles he has been stripped from.

Even when used with the permission of the government, the use of the title President for retired heads of state remains controversial in some countries.

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

My understanding is that the protocol in Greece does not recognize any elevated position or titles for the ex-king.



By the same logic Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands is entitled to call herself Queen: She was a monarch before her abdication, and her monarchy has not even been abolished.



I'm quite sure there would be a great deal of "fuss" if, say, Prince Andrew of the UK were to revert to using the military titles he has been stripped from.

Even when used with the permission of the government, the use of the title President for retired heads of state remains controversial in some countries.

First off, the now Princess Beatrix abdicated and resorted to using her old title of Princess because the Queen mother title isn’t a thing in the Netherlands. The people who have heard of her knew she was once a Queen and can refer to her in any way, Princess or Queen. If someone wants to refer to Constantine as King, that’s their prerogative.

[theroyalfly]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

By the same logic Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands is entitled to call herself Queen: She was a monarch before her abdication, and her monarchy has not even been abolished.

The Dutch monarchy has different traditions. Upon abdication, Beatrix reverts to being a Princess. Same title she held before her inauguration as Queen and that was also the case to the Queens before her namely Juliana and Wilhelmina. To add, it's also only in the Netherlands that even as Queen, it is customary for you to use your husband's and father's titles. Example: Her Royal Highness Princess Juliana of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Duchess of Mecklenburg, Princess of Lippe-Biesterfeld, etc. This wasn't the case for other Queen regnants AFAIK.

Regarding King Constantine II who is currently King in exile, in accordance with royal traditions, is still King. It's what we call (title of pretense and by courtesy), King Michael I of Romania, King Alfonso XIII of Spain, King Manuel II of Portugal or even Tsar Simeon II of the Bulgarians (who even became the 48th Prime Minister of Bulgaria). Their titles however is unofficial and legally disputed.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Tatiana Maria

My understanding is that the protocol in Greece does not recognize any elevated position or titles for the ex-king.

I never said it did.

[Blog Real]

Originally Posted by Kingen

What future royal events or gatherings could we expect in the upcoming years? It could be milestone birthdays, jubilees or anniversaries, and are they likely to be marked and celebrated with fellow European royals?

Denmark
16 April 2020 - Queen Margrethe's 80th Birthday
14 January 2022 - Queen Margrethe's Golden Jubilee
5 February 2022 - Crown Princess Mary's 50th Birthday

Sweden
23 December 2018 - Queen Silvia's 75th Birthday
30 April 2021 - King Carl Gustaf's 75th Birthday
15 September 2023 - King Carl Gustaf's Golden Jubilee
15 September 2023 - Prince Daniel's 50th Birthday

Norway
21 February & 4 July 2022 - King Harald & Queen Sonja's 85th Birthdays
20 July 2023 - Crown Prince Haakon's 50th Birthday

The Royal House of Norway is likely to have a party to commemorate the 50th birthday of Crown Prince Haakon.
In 2023 we will also celebrate the 18th birthday of Prince Christian of Denmark and Princess Leonor of Spain.

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Blog Real

The Royal House of Norway is likely to have a party to commemorate the 50th birthday of Crown Prince Haakon.
In 2023 we will also celebrate the 18th birthday of Prince Christian of Denmark and Princess Leonor of Spain.

I doubt there will be any such celebrations in Spain and if there's even a slice of cake it will behind closed doors at gloomy Zarzuela!

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

I doubt there will be any such celebrations in Spain and if there's even a slice of cake it will behind closed doors at gloomy Zarzuela!

Probably we will get an offical act like the Princess making her oath to the constitution. At last something like this was done for the then Prince Felipe’s 18th birthday.

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by JR76

I never said it did.

I was replying to your comment "All in accordance with European traditions and protocol." Greece is part of Europe, so it is not universal protocol within Europe.