Coronations and Enthronements

[COUNTESS]

He would be king. Edward the VIII was king, although, he never had a coronation and abdicated.

[lightningbearer]

In the media recently there's been speculation that Prince Charles will cut the number of peers at his coronation in favour of inviting charities and members of the public. Whilst I think that modernizing some elements of the coronation would be a good idea I hope this doesn't affect the peers that attend the new King and Queen. At the 1953 coronation, the Queen was surrounded by nobility but who would Camilla have as her Mistress of the Robes for example? Doesn't have to be a duchess in my opinion.

[Elly C]

Inevitably there will be a very different coronation when Charles is crowned, but I hope Charles isn't allowed to meddle too much. I guess there must be outline plans, but given the economic situation cou[led with the cost of hosting the Olympics, everyone must by hoping that HM has the longevity her Mum enjoyed.

[KittyAtlanta]

I would not expect Charles' coronation to be any less than previous ones. The coronation of a monarch is a tad different (and IMO, more important) than any royal wedding. Charles should have the coronation he desires. If the taxpayers complain about funding the next coronation, then it will be time to give up the monarchy.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by KittyAtlanta

If the taxpayers complain about funding the next coronation, then it will be time to give up the monarchy.

Huh? They complained about paying a certain amount for the two royal weddings this summer but nowhere did the "give up the monarchy" argument seriously arise. You talk as if one person complains then that's it for the monarchy straight away. Taxpayers complain constantly, but their republican movement isn't getting anywhere fast IMO.

[NGalitzine]

My guess would be that we would not see all the hereditary peers that were invited to QE2's coronation. Maybe the premier peer of each divsion of the hereditary peerages, representation from the life peers and then other guests representing a wider society from the Uk and the Commonwealth.

[PrincessKaimi]

"Taxpayers" in England (especially London) have been complaining about the expense of their monarchs since history began - and yet the monarchs are still around. Greatly straitened by circumstances, but still there. Asking monarchs to limit their expenses (or their powers) is rather an old custom in England, is it not?

[IloveCP]

The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor: Royal Splendor 101: Queen Elizabeth's Accession

[IloveCP]

The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor: Royal Splendor 101: King Abdullah's Accession

[IloveCP]

More info on Elizabeth's coronation

The Royal Order of Sartorial Splendor: Royal Splendor 101: The Coronation Scene

[Jacknch]

Originally Posted by Josefine

Queen Juliana signed her abdication 1980, April 30
Beatrix, Queen of the Netherlands
enthronement ceremony 1980, April 30

Did Juliana make a televised speech afew months before to announce her intention to abdicate?

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Jacknch

Did Juliana make a televised speech afew months before to announce her intention to abdicate?

Yes she announced her abdication in a TV-speech at Beatrix birthday 31.01.1980.

[Jacknch]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Yes she announced her abdication in a TV-speech at Beatrix birthday 31.01.1980.

Thanks Stefan, I thought that was the case, but I didn't know the date of her speech.

[RoyalistRiley]

Originally Posted by lightningbearer

In the media recently there's been speculation that Prince Charles will cut the number of peers at his coronation in favour of inviting charities and members of the public. Whilst I think that modernizing some elements of the coronation would be a good idea I hope this doesn't affect the peers that attend the new King and Queen. At the 1953 coronation, the Queen was surrounded by nobility but who would Camilla have as her Mistress of the Robes for example? Doesn't have to be a duchess in my opinion.

While I would assume that there may be a few small changes in regards to the number of peers/hereditary guests invited and to the prerequisties of some of the office holders, I strongly hope and feel that the ceremony will remain the same as 1953. The Coronation, in my opinion, is the greatest spectacle in human civilisation and as it is the cornerstone of tradition (being largely unchanged over the past 1000 years) in the monarchy it is of vital importance that it is retained in its purest possible forrm. After all, with monarchy no longer having the central role it used to, the tradition and ceremony is vital to keeping it going.

My one main hope for change in the overall festivities/order of service is that there is greater involvement from the 15 Commonwealth Realms who will have Charles as their King. Perhaps a there could be an Australian digeridoo player, a New Zealand haka, etc? This would only enhance the great spectacle in my opinion.

[Grandduchess24]

For coronations does the audience really put on copies of the crown which chanting "god save the Queen"? I just wish I could be able to witness I'll just have to wait for an heir to become monarch.

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Grandduchess24

For coronations does the audience really put on copies of the crown which chanting "god save the Queen"? I just wish I could be able to witness I'll just have to wait for an heir to become monarch.

For British Coronations the participants place their individual coronets or caps on their head and chant God Save The King/Queen.

Information on each persons coronets;

Peers wear coronets, as do most members of the Royal Family; such coronets display heraldic emblems based on rank or association to the monarch. The heir-apparent's coronet displays four crosses-pattée alternating with four fleurs-de-lis, surmounted by an arch. The same style, without the arch, is used for the children and siblings of Sovereigns. The coronets of children of the heir-apparent display four fleurs-de-lis, two crosses-pattée and two strawberry leaves. A fourth style, including four crosses-pattée and four strawberry leaves, is used for the children of the sons and brothers of Sovereigns. The aforementioned coronets are borne instead of any coronets based on peerage dignities. The coronets of dukes show eight strawberry leaves, those of marquesses four strawberry leaves alternating with four raised silver balls, those of earls eight strawberry leaves alternating with eight raised silver balls, those of viscounts sixteen silver balls and those of barons six silver balls. Peeresses use the same design, except that they appear on smaller circlets than the peers' coronets.

Aside from kings and queens, the only individuals authorised to wear crowns (as opposed to coronets) are the Kings of Arms, the United Kingdom's senior heraldic officials

[Warren]

As this thread relates to the topic of enthronements and coronations, discussion of 'Prince Charles as King' has been moved to The Monarchy Under Charles thread in the British Forum.

[meagain]

Hi, There I am doing some research for a novel I am working on and I wonder if anyone would know if there was much different in terms of ceremony and protocol with more modern coronations and those if the medieval period, if so what are they? I am in UK so only know about British ones, however it need not be exclusively Britis Monachs.

Thanks

[An Ard Ri]

Nearly all of the French Kings were crowned at Notre Dame de Reims Cathedral.Some French Queens were crowned at Reims with their husbands but the vast majority were crowned at either the Saint Chapelle in Paris or then Royal Abbey of Saint Denis outside Paris.

Reims Cathedral - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sainte-Chapelle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Basilica of St Denis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[An Ard Ri]

The Coronation of Louis VIII and Blanche of Castile in 1223 at Notre Dame de Reims.The Coronation ceremony was known as 'Sacre' and the crowning was nearly always performed by the Archbishop of Reims .