Bowing and Curtseying - Page 32

marmi · #**621** 10-28-2008, 09:55 PM

We dont know when the picture was taken, she may have still been 'going down'???

Winnie · #**622** 10-28-2008, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by marmi

We dont know when the picture was taken, she may have still been 'going down'???

You are absolutely correct -- that is the problem with a lot of these pictures -- sometimes they give the incorrect statement [media will do on purpose sometimes to create a story] That is why videos are CLOSER to truth.

Queen Angelique · #**623** 10-30-2008, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by platinum69

According www.heraldica.org/faqs/britfaq, a commoner is not the Soveriegn or a holder of a pperage. This includes all members of the British Royal Family who are not peers. HRH Prince William of Wales, HRH The Princess Royal and some others are commoners. Sounds interesting.

If I understand your point correctly, it means that since they are not peers, nor the Sovereign, they must automatically be commoners.....right?
Common Princes and Princesses.....??
Interesting indeed.....
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Queen Angelique · #**624** 10-30-2008, 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by marmi

We dont know when the picture was taken, she may have still been 'going down'???

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Originally Posted by Winnie

You are absolutely correct -- that is the problem with a lot of these pictures -- sometimes they give the incorrect statement (media will do on purpose sometimes to create a story) That is why videos are CLOSER to truth.

Yes, I agree and that is also giving the benefit of the doubt, which I believe is the graceful way to treat anyone. Apart from that, She might have had a knee-problem; or perhaps a little stiff due to the long journey....who knows?
And a video is a better way to remain objective. The total picture and all that.....
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avgi · #**625** 11-24-2008, 02:13 PM

I found this video of the Royal Ascot 2008 - towards the end (min. 4) you see the Queen aproaching her family, Beatrice and Eugenie do not curtsey but at around 4:08 you can see Princess Anne curtseying to -I think -Camilla

YouTube - Guests at the Royal Ascot Festival 2008

platinum69 · #**626** 11-25-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by COUNTESS

Nice try. New testament. Written by men. Some believe in the New Testament. Some only the Old. All written by men. God, who loves all people, doesn't care one way or the other. That's why he created all people in his image and loves them all. Bowing and curtseying is still an archaic form of obdience. It is not respect, it is demeaning. You can nod, shake hands and smile. No man is beneath another.

You are correct but exception HAS to be made for the Royals.

platinum69 · #**627** 11-25-2008, 11:09 PM

Exactly, the position and that's what makes the tradition.

platinum69 · #**628** 11-25-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sofajr

thanks a lot, Paty.

I find it odd that Mette-Marit curtseying to Victoria

Well, they are both Princesses, but Victoria in her own right, being born a Princess, Mette-Marit is by marriage. In the future they both will be Queens, but Victoria will be a ruling Queen and Mette-Marit a Queen Consort. But for now, they have equal status. I really don't know why MM curtsey to Victoria.....

MARG · #**629** 11-26-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by platinum69

Well, they are both Princesses, but Victoria in her own right, being born a Princess, Mette-Marit is by marriage. In the future they both will be Queens, but Victoria will be a ruling Queen and Mette-Marit a Queen Consort. But for now, they have equal status. I really don't know why MM curtsey to Victoria.....

Actually they do not have equal status. Victoria is the heir apparent and on the death of her father wll become Queen it her own right. Mette-Marit will be a consort and never her equal. When Victoria is Queen, Queen Mette-Marit (and all other consorts) will still curtsey to a crowned head of state.

kimebear · #**630** 11-26-2008, 01:48 AM

Consorts of monarchs do not curtsey to monarchs. You will not see Queen Letizia curtsey to Queen Victoria. I can't say the same about Queen Mette-Marit as she seems to have her own ideas about curtseying.

MARG · #**631** 11-26-2008, 03:04 AM

Mmmmm . . . . I was applying the same rule as that stated by BeatrixFan on page 9 with the Duke of Edinborough bowing to any Queen, King, etc. It seemed to me the same situation. Well actually not the same as he was born a royal Prince and all of those other "Spouses" are only royal by marriage.

kimebear · #**632** 11-26-2008, 01:14 PM

I believe that BeatrixFan was incorrect when he made that post. Also, to my knowledge, the only time that Prince Phillip bowed to his wife was at her coronation. He bowed to her as his newly crowned monarch and that was it.

LadyFinn · #**633** 11-29-2008, 03:47 PM

Ladies curtseying Queen Sofia, as she and princess Letizia visit charity market Nuevo Futuro at Rastrillo
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scooter · #**634** 11-29-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by avgi

I found this video of the Royal Ascot 2008 - towards the end (min. 4) you see the Queen aproaching her family, Beatrice and Eugenie do not curtsey but at around 4:08 you can see Princess Anne curtseying to -I think -Camilla

YouTube - Guests at the Royal Ascot Festival 2008

I think the Princess Royal appears to be curtseying to her mother the Queen. I did not see Camilla in the frame at all. Frankly, I have a hard time imagining the Princess Royal, born a Princess, curtseying to Camilla. I dont remember Princess Anne, or for that matter Princess Margaret in the same position, ever curtseying to Diana, either.

kimebear · #**635** 11-29-2008, 07:33 PM

Actually, that was Anne curtseying to Camilla. It was quite a hot topic at the time. I don't know about Anne curtseying to Diana after her marriage, but there was a story about Anne being annoyed with Diana for curtseying to her inside the palace before Diana married Charles.

As far as Beatrice and Eugenie are concerned, they had just been in the procession with the Queen earlier and most likely would have given her a curtsey earlier in the day. I would imagine that there are only so many times during the day one can curtsey to your grandmother!

wbenson · #**636** 11-29-2008, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kimebear

I believe that BeatrixFan was incorrect when he made that post. Also, to my knowledge, the only time that Prince Phillip bowed to his wife was at her coronation. He bowed to her as his newly crowned monarch and that was it.

That's the only time I've ever seen Philip bow, either. He also doesn't salute as the Queen gets out of the carriage at the State Opening of Parliament (as Charles would when he attended).

Jacknch · #**637** 11-30-2008, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by platinum69

You are correct but exception HAS to be made for the Royals.

Princess Anne is not curtseying to the Duchess of Cornwall - she is joking about something (I guess about high heels or someone's height) and bends her knees in the process. Had she been curseying it would have been deeper, slightly more ungainly and her back slightly bowed forward.

magnik · #**638** 11-30-2008, 08:08 AM

When Diana's coffin was carry in front of BP Anne and even Margaret I think bows (by heads) to her.

MARG · #**639** 12-03-2008, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacknch

Princess Anne is not curtseying to the Duchess of Cornwall . . . . . .

Sorry Jacknch and Scooter. 4:08 It looks like a duck. It walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck! By jove, I do believe it is a duck or, or more precisely, a curtsey!

Regardless of your personal disbelief, you really are seeing what your think you can't be seeing.

The Princess Royal is not called royal for nothing! She is the arbitor of all things correct and on this occasion I believe she was making an unequivocal personal statement.

Like those in the military, you pay compliments to the rank (in this case Crown Princess) or the Queen's Commission held, not the person holding it!

scooter · #**640** 12-04-2008, 10:23 PM

Why Marg, are you suggesting that The Princess Royal was curtseying to Camilla's rank not Camilla? Also, I am curious, where exactly is it written in the Magna Carta that the Princess Royal 'is the arbiter of all things correct'. If you could instruct me in the exact wording of the law illustrating this, I would be appreciative.