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Old 06-25-2018, 06:35 AM
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No bow and curtsey seen for Luxembourg on June 23th. In Belgium , sometimes a bow or a light curtsey .
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Old 06-25-2018, 08:21 AM
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No bow and curtsey seen for Luxembourg on June 23th. In Belgium , sometimes a bow or a light curtsey .
I saw some old footage of Queen Astrid on YouTube and I noticed bows and curtsies seemed to be common in Belgium back in the 1930s. When did they fall out of use ? Was it during King Baudoyin’s reign ?
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Old 06-25-2018, 09:49 AM
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If they have already seen the Queen earlier in the day they would of already made their curtesy, no need to do it again.


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I don't agree with you. If you chose to curtsy/bow, you should do it when you see someone in and out, for example when the Queen enters the room and when she leaves it.
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Old 06-25-2018, 12:27 PM
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I don't agree with you. If you chose to curtsy/bow, you should do it when you see someone in and out, for example when the Queen enters the room and when she leaves it.
Doesn't matter if you agree with me or not...just relaying the custom observed by the BRF.


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Old 06-25-2018, 03:16 PM
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Curtsey/bows ended in Belgium in de seventies.
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Old 06-25-2018, 04:10 PM
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I am quite the opposite. I would genuflect before a successor to the Apostles-a cardinal-without even thinking twice.

It would never occur to me not to.
It's probably a denominational thing then - Roman Catholics tend to 'genuflect' (?curtsey) before religious statues etc, whereas Protestants do not.
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Old 06-25-2018, 05:05 PM
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It's probably a denominational thing then - Roman Catholics tend to 'genuflect' (?curtsey) before religious statues etc, whereas Protestants do not.


It’s because of that that Catholics are accused of worshipping statues and relics.
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Old 06-25-2018, 06:33 PM
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Which of course they don't do.


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Old 06-25-2018, 06:52 PM
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'Genuflecting' [bending the Knee] IS done in High Anglican Churches [in the UK, but only to the Altar [on entering or leaving a Pew]..
Never to a prelate.. who doesn't have the 'intercessor with God' status in this church, that he has in the Catholic faith.
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Old 06-25-2018, 07:56 PM
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It's probably a denominational thing then - Roman Catholics tend to 'genuflect' (?curtsey) before religious statues etc, whereas Protestants do not.
It was stopped in Protetantism in the 1500s as it was seen as worshipping an idol which is against the commandments.

We also don't make any sign to bishops or archbishops as they are human beings and in many protestant denominations were even removed at the time of the reformation arguing that any person can preach the word of God.

Royals were seen as different and so curtseying and bowing continued. It is no longer required in the UK - HM herself made that quite clear some years ago and you will see many people don't curtsey to her at all anymore.

There is no way I would curtsey to another human being - they are no better than I am and so do not deserve to have me humiliate myself before them.

If someone else choose to curtsey or bow then they have that right and I will respect that but I personally wouldn't do it.
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Old 06-25-2018, 08:19 PM
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'Genuflecting' [bending the Knee] IS done in High Anglican Churches [in the UK, but only to the Altar [on entering or leaving a Pew]..
Never to a prelate.. who doesn't have the 'intercessor with God' status in this church, that he has in the Catholic faith.
Catholics don’t genuflect for a bushop or any other prelate. That is a misconception.

Catholics don’t worship statues either. They only bend their knees to the altar and only when the consecrated host is being kept behind the altar.
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Old 06-25-2018, 08:30 PM
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There are Catholics who do bend the knee for Bishops/Cardinals ...some kiss their ring or even press their forehead to the hand of a priest. Just depends on the person and their practices or what the norm is for their parish/culture.

It's a sign of reverence to the office they hold, not the person themselves.


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Old 06-25-2018, 08:38 PM
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'Genuflecting' [bending the Knee] IS done in High Anglican Churches [in the UK, but only to the Altar [on entering or leaving a Pew]..
Never to a prelate.. who doesn't have the 'intercessor with God' status in this church, that he has in the Catholic faith.
You are quite right. It is still done here in High Churchs as well.
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Old 06-25-2018, 10:37 PM
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There are Catholics who do bend the knee for Bishops/Cardinals ...some kiss their ring or even press their forehead to the hand of a priest. Just depends on the person and their practices or what the norm is for their parish/culture.

It's a sign of reverence to the office they hold, not the person themselves.


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I have never seen anyone bending their knees for a Bishop,. Kissing a bishop’s ring is fairly common though. In fact, even the King and the Queen of Spain do it as it can be seen at Felipe and Letizia’s wedding.

I have seen princesses, including Protestant princesses like Madeleine of Sweden, curtsying to the Pope, but I guess that is because the Pope is also technically a head of state and a monarch.
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Old 06-25-2018, 11:50 PM
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I have never seen anyone bending their knees for a Bishop,. Kissing a bishop’s ring is fairly common though. In fact, even the King and the Queen of Spain do it as it can be seen at Felipe and Letizia’s wedding.

I have seen princesses, including Protestant princesses like Madeleine of Sweden, curtsying to the Pope, but I guess that is because the Pope is also technically a head of state and a monarch.

Well the pope is a Bishop....but yes it used to be more common, probably rarely done now/more often done by other clergy to senior prelates... except when it comes to The Holy Father.


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Old 06-26-2018, 04:24 AM
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It's probably a denominational thing then - Roman Catholics tend to 'genuflect' (?curtsey) before religious statues etc, whereas Protestants do not.
No they don't.....

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There are Catholics who do bend the knee for Bishops/Cardinals ...some kiss their ring or even press their forehead to the hand of a priest. Just depends on the person and their practices or what the norm is for their parish/culture.

It's a sign of reverence to the office they hold, not the person themselves.


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So is bowing or curtysting to a royal... its not "humiliating oneself" unless the person thinks of it as humilitation.. in wich case they should not be doing it...
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Old 06-26-2018, 06:43 AM
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This is a royal board and not religious !
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Old 06-26-2018, 07:56 AM
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There is no way I would curtsey to another human being - they are no better than I am and so do not deserve to have me humiliate myself before them.
If someone else choose to curtsey or bow then they have that right and I will respect that but I personally wouldn't do it.
Why do you consider bowing/curtseying humiliating? I see this as a sign of respect, not subordination. Also, this is a kind gesture of following the tradition.
Remind that the Royals themselves seem not to have any troubles with doing that. They do it always and very properly.
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Old 06-26-2018, 10:23 PM
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Princess Cristina of Spain curtseyed to her father King Juan Carlos in 2006.
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Hi, does the mother of a Monarch have to curtsy to their child. I know the Queen Mother did not have to curtsy to The Queen but what about if Diana was alive when her son William was on the throne. Would she obliged to curtsy to him?
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