 |
|

06-22-2018, 09:51 PM
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Spring Hill, United States
Posts: 3,010
|
|
Archaic gestures. It shows dominance. Too bad still doing it in 2018.
|

06-22-2018, 09:58 PM
|
 |
Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Somewhere, Suriname
Posts: 8,557
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osipi
When I think about it, actually Theresa May is the Prime Minister of Her Majesty's government. Although the Queen has no political power really, she does as the Prime Minister to form a government. With William being a senior royal, Mrs. May is showing respect for the monarchy when she does a curtsey to him.
At least that's how I look at it.
|
So, I see how it would make sense to curtsey to Her Majesty (if that is part of the tradition in a country) but where does that extension end. She is not the prime minister of the duchess of Cambridge's government... So, I keep wondering at which member 'showing respect to the monarchy' ends
Formally, the children of the monarch outrank grandchildren, so if she is consistent she should at least also curtsey to the duke of York, the earl of Wessex, the countess of Wessex and the princess royal. The queen might privately have decided that the order of preference is applied differently, I would expect the prime minister to uphold the official order
Do we have any pictures of the prime minister meeting the other children of the monarch (other than Charles and Camilla)?
|

06-22-2018, 10:20 PM
|
 |
Member - in Memoriam
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 17,267
|
|
There is also another reason for the Prime Minister to curtsy to the Duke of Cambridge recently. It wasn't as if Mrs. May and the DoC were meeting at a social event (such as Ascot) but rather they were both there to open the newly-built Defence and National Rehabilitation Centre.
Mrs. May was there as a representative of the her majesty's government and William was there representing the Queen. The greeting was more formally structured.
__________________
To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment. ~~ Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~
|

06-22-2018, 10:24 PM
|
Majesty
|
|
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Pittsburgh, United States
Posts: 8,729
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by COUNTESS
Archaic gestures. It shows dominance. Too bad still doing it in 2018.
|
I disagree. There is nothing about dominance in a curtsy. And, again, the fact that politicians in the UK, including the prime minister, are like any common person is a good thing.
|

06-22-2018, 10:25 PM
|
 |
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 15,827
|
|
PM May curtsied to the Duke of Cambridge because he’s the second in line to the throne. The future monarch. She curtsy to The Queen and other senior members of the royal family.
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."
A.W. TOZER
|

06-22-2018, 11:21 PM
|
 |
Member - in Memoriam
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: On the west side of North up from Back, United States
Posts: 17,267
|
|
Of course we all know that its not a requirement to bow or curtsy but I do think its a wonderful display of respect when it does happen. There's nothing dominating about it at all. Some "old fashioned" courtesies seem to have gone out the window with the 21st century and to me, its kind of a sad thing.
__________________
To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment. ~~ Ralph Waldo Emerson ~~
|

06-23-2018, 12:35 AM
|
 |
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Pacific Palisades CA, United States
Posts: 4,418
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by COUNTESS
Archaic gestures. It shows dominance. Too bad still doing it in 2018.
|
I agree.  It looks very, very odd to the modern eye. Not necessary. Maybe one might do it with a religious figure, but even there nothing extreme should be indulged. JMO.
|

06-23-2018, 01:22 AM
|
 |
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 15,827
|
|
It’s not mandatory to curtsy to The Queen and senior members of the royal family. It’s just done out of respect.
The younger members of the royal family aren’t really into people curtsying to them, but they graciously accept the slight bow and dip. It’s pretty much dying out though. In the Queen’s young days; whenever she entered a cathedral, parliament, or room, you would see lots of folks bobbing up and down. Now it’s very rare. Only a couple of people do it.
__________________
"WE CANNOT PRAY IN LOVE AND LIVE IN HATE AND STILL THINK WE ARE WORSHIPING GOD."
A.W. TOZER
|

06-23-2018, 04:38 AM
|
 |
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posts: 10,303
|
|
I fail to see why any here should find it necessary to apologise for those who curtsey to HM and other senior royals as if they have done something wrong and distasteful.
You do not have to agree with bowing and curtseying but calling it archaic in such a way as to denigrate the person who performs it is both culturally insensitive and just plain rude.
If you find the practise anathema to you then say so and that in the extremely remote chance that you should be in the presence of royalty, shake their hand.
__________________
MARG
"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are assaults of thoughts on the unthinking." - JM Keynes
|

06-23-2018, 10:52 AM
|
 |
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 12,309
|
|
Well said Marg.
LaRae
|

06-23-2018, 11:05 AM
|
 |
Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Somewhere, Suriname
Posts: 8,557
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mbruno
I disagree. There is nothing about dominance in a curtsy. And, again, the fact that politicians in the UK, including the prime minister, are like any common person is a good thing.
|
I wouldn't expect other common people to curtsey to members of the royal family either
But again, I understand it is part of British tradition and some apparently like to uphold it, I just hope everyone is fine with a future PM not curtseying.
And I am still unsure to whom they should curtsey if they want to follow tradition. To all titled persons? Or only to her majesty and royal hignesses? Or only to peers and their spouses and not to commoners (in that case Harry was not worthy of that respect until a little over a month ago but now he is, as are all non royal dukes etc)?
|

06-23-2018, 11:22 AM
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Herefordshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 3,397
|
|
Fetishising a Flag [an inanimate object] is REALLY archaic...
Making an obeisance to a Monarch, or her representative] is more in the nature of publicly respecting the office they hold, as the senior personage in the nation.
|

06-24-2018, 01:03 PM
|
 |
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Athens, Angola
Posts: 5,223
|
|
I really don't see where is the issue about curtseying. If you accept the idea of Royalty it is obvious that there is a certain respect to pay to Royals. And this respect is being expressed in bowing and curtseying. Personally I don't know how to curtsey, otherwise I would absolutely do so (I met Queen Sofia once, I didn't try curtsey fearing the ridiculous....).
Nevertheless I believe curtseying is lovely with ladies wearing long dress, the vue of legs being strangely crossed is not nice, and gives the impression than the lady is almost falling down
|

06-24-2018, 01:31 PM
|
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: England, United Kingdom
Posts: 4,118
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mbruno
I disagree. There is nothing about dominance in a curtsy. And, again, the fact that politicians in the UK, including the prime minister, are like any common person is a good thing.
|
It was once said people took comfort in the fact that, once a week at their meeting that a powerful forceful leader like Margaret Thatcher, dropped a curtsey to the Queen. It made the point that as powerful a political leader they may be there was a higher power they were accountable to and were expected (but not made) to show deference to.
|

06-24-2018, 05:49 PM
|
Nobility
|
|
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Belfast, United Kingdom
Posts: 318
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lady Nimue
I agree.  It looks very, very odd to the modern eye. Not necessary. Maybe one might do it with a religious figure, but even there nothing extreme should be indulged. JMO.
|
Personally I would much rather bow or curtsey to a member of the Royal Family than a religious figure!
|

06-24-2018, 07:56 PM
|
 |
Heir Apparent
|
|
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Pacific Palisades CA, United States
Posts: 4,418
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by irish_royalist
Personally I would much rather bow or curtsey to a member of the Royal Family than a religious figure!
|
Well, one is a throwback to feudalism, the other (possibly) is respect to a spiritually dedicated person (maybe).
|

06-24-2018, 09:50 PM
|
 |
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Los Angeles, United States
Posts: 11,828
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by irish_royalist
Personally I would much rather bow or curtsey to a member of the Royal Family than a religious figure!
|
I am quite the opposite. I would genuflect before a successor to the Apostles-a cardinal-without even thinking twice.
It would never occur to me not to.
__________________
"Be who God intended you to be, and you will set the world on fire" St. Catherine of Siena
"If your dreams don't scare you, they are not big enough" Sir Sidney Poitier
1927-2022
|

06-24-2018, 11:39 PM
|
 |
Imperial Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Midwest, United States
Posts: 12,309
|
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23
I am quite the opposite. I would genuflect before a successor to the Apostles-a cardinal-without even thinking twice.
It would never occur to me not to.
|
Ditto...even the local Bishop.
LaRae
|

06-25-2018, 06:35 AM
|
 |
Majesty
|
|
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brussels, Belgium
Posts: 7,363
|
|
No bow and curtsey seen for Luxembourg on June 23th. In Belgium , sometimes a bow or a light curtsey .
|
 |
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 5 (0 members and 5 guests)
|
|
Thread Tools |
Search this Thread |
|
|
Display Modes |
Linear Mode
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
Recent Discussions |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|