Bowing and Curtseying - Page 121

Bryce · #**2401** 05-27-2016, 02:00 PM

Christening of Prince Oskar, Duke of Skane

While watching the service, I thought it interesting how, as the King and Queen approached the alter, it seem that the only people to pay respects to them were the foreign royals - namely CP Mary and CP Hakkon.

Mbruno · #**2402** 05-27-2016, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryce

Christening of Prince Oskar, Duke of Skane

While watching the service, I thought it interesting how, as the King and Queen approached the alter, it seem that they only people to pay respects to them were the foreign royals - namely CP Mary and CP Hakkon.

Bowing/curtsying to royals is no longer routinely observed in Sweden; it happens only infrequently (in the recent celebrations of King Carl Gustaf's birthday, I noticed that a few children who gave him flowers curtsied/bowed).

Interestingly, the Swedish princesses like Victoria never seem to curtsy to their parents, but they always curtsy to foreign monarchs or former monarchs (Queen Margrethe, King Juan Carlos, Princess Beatrix, etc.). The same happens BTW in the Netherlands where Maxima, as a princess, never curtsied to her in-laws, but normally curtsied to foreign monarchs in state visits and other occasions.

CP Mary, on the other hand, adheres to the strict Danish protocol and always curtsies, not only to her mother-in-law and older sovereigns, but also to her "girlfriends" Maxima and Mathilde, which I find rather awkward.

Bryce · #**2403** 05-29-2016, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno

Interestingly, the Swedish princesses like Victoria never seem to curtsy to their parents, but they always curtsy to foreign monarchs or former monarchs (Queen Margrethe, King Juan Carlos, Princess Beatrix, etc.). The same happens BTW in the Netherlands where Maxima, as a princess, never curtsied to her in-laws, but normally curtsied to foreign monarchs in state visits and other occasions.

CP Mary, on the other hand, adheres to the strict Danish protocol and always curtsies, not only to her mother-in-law and older sovereigns, but also to her "girlfriends" Maxima and Mathilde, which I find rather awkward.

I think that the Royal Houses all have their set protocol when dealing with family both publicly and privately. If you go back a few threads and view the video I posted of the Windsors at a family garden party, they all pay compliments to The Queen and The Queen Mother but not to each other.

The Press always seems to make a big deal about saying that this Princess has to now curtsy to this "grander" Princess etc etc etc... but it just does not happen.

As for the awkwardness of paying compliments to the "new" monarchs, as I mentioned over on the Order of Precedence" thread - I do not think that it is awkward nor do I think they do. This is how they have been brought-up/taught. They are paying respect to their new office. I do not think that CP Mary feels any lessor a friend to Queen Maxima - CP Mary curtsies to acknowledge Maxima's position not her superiority. Their status as friends, I am sure, has not been altered.

Mbruno · #**2404** 05-29-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryce

I think that the Royal Houses all have their set protocol when dealing with family both publicly and privately. If you go back a few threads and view the video I posted of the Windsors at a family garden party, they all pay compliments to The Queen and The Queen Mother but not to each other.

The Press always seems to make a big deal about saying that this Princess has to now curtsy to this "grander" Princess etc etc etc... but it just does not happen.

As for the awkwardness of paying compliments to the "new" monarchs, as I mentioned over on the Order of Precedence" thread - I do not think that it is awkward nor do I think they do. This is how they have been brought-up/taught. They are paying respect to their new office. I do not think that CP Mary feels any lessor a friend to Queen Maxima - CP Mary curtsies to acknowledge Maxima's position not her superiority. Their status as friends, I am sure, has not been altered.

Mary was not "brought up" as a royal. She was born in an ordinary middle-class family from Australia. The reason why she now curtsies to Maxima, Mathilde or Letizia is simply that she has to follow Danish protocol. I have no doubt that their friendship has not been altered, but it is awkward nonetheless and, in my opinion, old-fashioned.

Nordic · #**2405** 05-29-2016, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mbruno

Interestingly, the Swedish princesses like Victoria never seem to curtsy to their parents, but they always curtsy to foreign monarchs or former monarchs (Queen Margrethe, King Juan Carlos, Princess Beatrix, etc.). The same happens BTW in the Netherlands where Maxima, as a princess, never curtsied to her in-laws, but normally curtsied to foreign monarchs in state visits and other occasions.

CP Mary, on the other hand, adheres to the strict Danish protocol and always curtsies, not only to her mother-in-law and older sovereigns, but also to her "girlfriends" Maxima and Mathilde, which I find rather awkward.

Of course you find it awkward...It's Mary

Victoria curtsies to foreign monarchs, like Mary does. Maxima curtsies to foreign monarchs, like Mary does. Mary curtsies to "her girlfriends" Maxima and Mathilde, who are now foreign monarchs....

Isn't that what she is supposed to do, according to you?
In Denmark, Mary and Marie curtsy to their mother-in-law and PH.
That is the custom in Denmark.

Bryce · #**2406** 05-29-2016, 02:45 PM

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Mary was not "brought up" as a royal.

Knowing that, in my example, CP Mary was not brought-up royal I said "This is how they have been brought-up/taught."

In my opinion, there is nothing old fashioned about respect.

wyevale · #**2407** 05-29-2016, 02:53 PM

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In my opinion, there is nothing old fashioned about respect.

Indeed... one is only incidentally honouring the individual concerned, one is honouring the position they hold, and their country...

Mbruno · #**2408** 05-29-2016, 03:37 PM

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Indeed... one is only incidentally honouring the individual concerned, one is honouring the position they hold, and their country...

If so, why don't they curtsy also to an elected president to honor the position he/she holds and his/her country ? Well, Mette-Marit does, or at least she did once to President Obama.

**An Ard Ri** · #**2409** 06-02-2016, 02:52 PM

The Infanta Elena curtsies to her father King Juan Carlos I in Madrid last night.

http://www.hola.com/imagenes/realeza...carlos-3-z.jpg

Dman · #**2410** 06-10-2016, 04:22 PM

Moving Clip:
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry bow and curtsey to The Queen and Prince Philip as they leave the Service of Thanksgiving 2016-
"she's been a joy from heaven."

ROYAL NORWAY · #**2411** 06-10-2016, 04:24 PM

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Moving Clip:
The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and Prince Harry bow and curtsey to The Queen and Prince Philip as they leave the Service of Thanksgiving 2016-
"she's been a joy from heaven."

Yes, I saw that on Sky News.