Bowing and Curtseying

[Marty91charmed]

To be Eugenie seemed just to give a kiss to Kate yesterday...

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by Nice Nofret

Because of Kates position in regard to Eugenies position ... nothing to do with a person - but everything about position.

I think that Eugenie has to curtsey to Kate despite that Eugenie is Princess by blood, because William is present. If Kate was alone without William, the "blood" superseeds the position by marriage, and Eugenia should not curtsey.
Also something has yo do with the fact that theu are out of the British terrotory, but I do not know what.

[AdmirerUS]

Originally Posted by Zonk

Honestly, with these pictures its hard to decipher IMO if Eugenie is curseying to Kate. I don't think so. The picture has been taken in a weird angle.

If anyone wants another reason to not worry about this, there did not seem to be a flurry of bows to the Heir.

[Osipi]

Originally Posted by Skippyboo

I don't think she did and it's seem it was a hug and kiss. Whether or not Eugenie is supposed to curtesy is dependent on the presence of William- if he is there, he is higher in precedence than her and Kate takes William's precedence. Without Wills, it's blood princess before married into the family in this part of the reign (Charles can reset it).

However, it appears that the only people that get constant bows and curtsies is the Queen and Philip from the family. Imagine how long the family Christmas party at BP would take with everybody bowing and curtseying to each other.

Now the question that inquiring minds need to know the answer to. Does it apply only if William is besides Kate or in the same room? I'm wondering why there there no pics of Eugenie and William greeting each other. Perhaps I'm missing something?

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

I think that Eugenie has to curtsey to Kate despite that Eugenie is Princess by blood, because William is present. If Kate was alone without William, the "blood" superseeds the position by marriage, and Eugenia should not curtsey.
Also something has yo do with the fact that theu are out of the British terrotory, but I do not know what.

QEII herself issued some sort of document that clarified things shortly after W/K were married. If Kate and Beatrice/Eugenie are in one another's presence without William, Kate should curtsey to them. Only if William is present must they curtsey to Kate.

What I take this to imply is that Beatrice and Eugenie on their own outrank Kate, who is not royal in her own right as they are.

(My assumption of course is that once the DoC becomes queen all that will change)

All three young women are said to completely ignore this "rule" when they are together and I don't blame them one bit.

[soapstar]

^ It does appear that they ignore it, because I don't think I've seen a photo of them curtseying to each other.

Originally Posted by Skippyboo

I don't think she did and it's seem it was a hug and kiss. Whether or not Eugenie is supposed to curtesy is dependent on the presence of William- if he is there, he is higher in precedence than her and Kate takes William's precedence. Without Wills, it's blood princess before married into the family in this part of the reign (Charles can reset it).

However, it appears that the only people that get constant bows and curtsies is the Queen and Philip from the family. Imagine how long the family Christmas party at BP would take with everybody bowing and curtseying to each other.


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I'm thinking it was just a hug and a kiss too. I imagine they skip this rule during family gatherings. It would be a nightmare trying to figure out who needs to bow/curtsey.

[Skippyboo]

The married behind blood princess thing goes back before Kate to Camilla.


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[Rudolph]

Bowing and curtseying are different from precedence. I've never witnessed any of the younger royals curtsey to one another but we do get tangible and real examples of precedence.

For example a new twist is William taking precedence over both Edward and Andrew. On every single occasion, whether in private or public, William now comes ahead of his uncles.

Earlier in the year I posted a pic of an invitation to an event at BP. The names were listed in the following order

HMQ
The Duke of Edinburgh
The Duke of Cambridge
The Duke of York
The Duke of Gloucester
The Duke of Kent

In addition William came ahead of Andrew in the receiving line

So given William now outranks Andrew, I would find it odd if Eugenie outranks Catherine

[KittyAtlanta]

Depends on who is in the room. There's a great explanation about 1,000 posts back.

[Nice Nofret]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

I think that Eugenie has to curtsey to Kate despite that Eugenie is Princess by blood, because William is present. If Kate was alone without William, the "blood" superseeds the position by marriage, and Eugenia should not curtsey.
Also something has yo do with the fact that theu are out of the British terrotory, but I do not know what.

We don't know if the 'private' Order of Precedence excists or not - it's just a rumour afaik. And as they would be in private (with or without William present) we don't see what they are doing. AND the order of precedence means who is to great first etc.

AFAIK no one in the English royal family curtseys to anyone else but the Queen and the DoE

[TLLK]

Originally Posted by VictoriaB

Why would Princess Eugenie - a Princess by birth, be curtseying to Kate?

New rules for the BRF regarding order of precedence. If William is present at an event then the blood princesses curtsey to Kate. If she's alone then it is the other way around.

Apparently this was an issue going back to the days when Anne had to curtsey to her sisters-in-law Diana and Sarah due to their positions as Princess of Wales and Duchess of York.

[Rudolph]

Originally Posted by Nice Nofret

We don't know if the 'private' Order of Precedence excists or not - it's just a rumour afaik. And as they would be in private (with or without William present) we don't see what they are doing. AND the order of precedence means who is to great first etc.

AFAIK no one in the English royal family curtseys to anyone else but the Queen and the DoE

Exactly. The tabloids do this story every couple of years but I nor anyone I know has ever seen this privately circulated order.

The only precedence we can know for sure is what we see when the royals interact with one another and absolutely nothing shows me Eugenie outranks Kate

[Dman]

None of the younger royals bow and curtsey to one another. They only bow and curtsey to Her Majesty The Queen and sometimes to the Duke of Edinburgh. I don't know why some people don't understand that.

Picture:
Lady curtsey to Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge-
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[sarahedwards2]

Originally Posted by GracieGiraffe

Let's face it - showing a certain amount of respect for a person who is present in a representative capacity of a head of state is one thing, bowing and curtsying to another human being in 2014 is simply and utterly ridiculous.

It's a sign of respect no matter what. Last night i was at my old high school's Christmas concert, and I saw my band teacher from all four years at that school; he's the head of the department and the conductor of the orchestra, chamber orchestra and senior band (his first year teaching at the school was my first year as a student, grade 9). I told him I graduated from my local college's music program this past October, and he shook my hand in congratulations; and as he did so I gave him a little curtsy (a slight bend of the knees and inclination of the head), I was wearing a gray pleated skirt with black leggings.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by Rudolph

HMQ
The Duke of Edinburgh
The Duke of Cambridge
The Duke of York
The Duke of Gloucester
The Duke of Kent

In addition William came ahead of Andrew in the receiving line

So given William now outranks Andrew, I would find it odd if Eugenie outranks Catherine

Not necessary odd, William & Andrew are both Princess by blood. If an invitaion lists only the ladies it should be interesting if Eugenie comes immediately after the Queen and before Camilla and Catherine, or after them two.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Note that all these rules for bowing and curtseying are optional and never obligatory. Anyone whom wants to give a nice handshake is perfect too.

[Darnius]

Royal Musings: Princess Margaret and the Marchioness of Douro

What's the Duchess of Wellington's now being styled? Still HRH or HG?
Thanks in advance.

[Arrjann]

Originally Posted by Darnius

Royal Musings: Princess Margaret and the Marchioness of Douro

What's the Duchess of Wellington's now being styled? Still HRH or HG?
Thanks in advance.

Her HRH and Prussian royal title are not recognized in the UK, so officially, she'll be HG.

[maria-olivia]

His wife is born RH.

[Duc_et_Pair]

When HRH Princess Antonia of Prussia married Lord Arthur Wellesley, Marquess of Douro, she never used her Prussian title anymore.

Since her marriage Princess Antonia has been known by the title Marchioness of Douro. After the burial of her father-in-law, she will be known as the Duchess of Wellington with the prefix "Your Grace" / "Her Grace".