True Love Marriages

[Queen Claude]

Originally Posted by royal rob

I wonder how Camillia really feels about Charles is it real love or our affair caused all this trouble so best we are married so it looks like true love. We are told of her love for her 1st husband over Charles back in the early years. I think she might think sometimes " I'd rather be home with my family than all this royal duty how the hell did I finish up in this position "


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I've wondered about Camilla as well since we know so little about her but what comes to mind is the taped phone conversation between Charles and Camilla from the late eighties/early nineties. That conversation was famous for the "naughty" parts but there were quite a few declarations of love from her to him, one of which she said loving him was easier than falling off a chair.

My guess is that Camilla may have preferred Andrew as a husband, and may have even loved him more at some point, but, going by that tape, she definitely loved Charles by that time and presumably still does.

It seems to me that Camilla was fine with loving and being loved by Charles but that she did not feel the need to be married to him, at least not until circumstances were different, and even then I'm not sure Camilla wanted to marry Charles per se, rather others felt they needed to marry since it would not look right for the future Head of the Church of England to have a live-in girlfriend, which by the way she and Charles did not, and still do not, live together 100%, but that's another discussion.

[Denville]

She does live iwth him. A lot of married cuoples, esp royals have separate houses, if they can afford it.. and Camilla clealrly wants a bit of "me time", adn a place to spend time with her children and grandchildren without the fuss of royal life. she and Charles IMO are very happy together and know how to enjoy their time togethter and their time apart. Charles is alos a bit of a loner, by nature. I think that as a young woman, yes Camilla was in love with Andrew, but she's grown since then and grew to love charles as her first marriage got more difficult. She outgrew the "loving a bad boy" stage and while remaining friends with Andrew, fell in love wiht Charles....I think she woudl be fine with NOT being married to him, but like most people she probalby prefers the security of a settled legal partnership and of course in her position, it was necessary for her and Charles to tie the knot legally...

[royal rob]

I don't think "a lot" of married couples have separate houses I think it would be a very few. Wealthy couples might have 2 houses but that's different to separate houses. If you can only see your children and grandchildren in a different house that's a bit sad.


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[Denville]

Originally Posted by royal rob

I don't think "a lot" of married couples have separate houses I think it would be a very few. Wealthy couples might have 2 houses but that's different to separate houses. If you can only see your children and grandchildren in a different house that's a bit sad.


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Lots of people live apart a lot of the time becuase of work, they may stay in hotels during the week and go home at weekends..or have a flat in London nad go home to the country. it isn't that unusaul esp among the upper classes or middle class well to do. And noone said she can ONLY see her kids in a separate house, but she problaby prefers to spend her time with them somewhere away from Highgrove which isn't all that big, and which IS a royal residence. Most of Camillas life, she has been an ordinary person and she probalby likes a house of her own, where seh can be more informal and where she can do her own thing while Charles is away or doing HIS thing. It may be that she has noisy grandkids and Charles woudl rather they tore up the carpets in another place than his nice house.. I think she and Charles know each other well enough to know that they enjoy their time togehter and their time apart.

[royal rob]

Yes lots of people can only get home at weekends because of work which is different to wanting to have separate houses and royal children have been bought up in royal palaces forever without the walls falling down. Anyway we are now OT


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[Osipi]

Perhaps one sign of a lasting and mature relationship is that the people within the relationship don't feel they need to be glued at the hip to each other 24/7. It can also be said that a couple that feel very comfortable being around their partner 24/7 is a good sign of an enduring relationship.

It all depends on the people involved. Some couples are very "cutesy" and dress alike and just seem odd without each other whereas another couple could take separate vacations as their interests differ.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Osipi

Perhaps one sign of a lasting and mature relationship is that the people within the relationship don't feel they need to be glued at the hip to each other 24/7. It can also be said that a couple that feel very comfortable being around their partner 24/7 is a good sign of an enduring relationship.

It all depends on the people involved. Some couples are very "cutesy" and dress alike and just seem odd without each other whereas another couple could take separate vacations as their interests differ.

I would say yes it all depends on the people involved. Some couples want to spend all their time together. others enjoy time together but alos like some space. I'd say personally that it is a sign of greater maturity to be able to spend some time apart.. because we ARE individuals niot "pairs", and I think most people need a bit of space And "me time". However of course if you get married, you presumably do it because you DO want to spend some time together..
I think that Camilla and Charles are mature, have been close for 40 years, and know each other well enough and trust each other, to be able to let go and leave themselves some space.. I think she enjoys being with her grandchildren, he enjoys time on his own for some hobbies. but they have a fair bit in common and like to be together as well and I'm sure thy enjoy their time together all the more for having some space from each other.
I have always spent a lot of time with my partner but we usually have separate holidays..
If people want to spend 24/7 together and both are hapy with that, then that's fine for them.. but most of us are in between. i'd say most people may love their partners but they don't want to work with them, spend every leisure hour with them as well.. they like the bits of separation..

[Moonmaiden23]

Originally Posted by royal rob

I wonder how Camillia really feels about Charles is it real love or our affair caused all this trouble so best we are married so it looks like true love. We are told of her love for her 1st husband over Charles back in the early years. I think she might think sometimes " I'd rather be home with my family than all this royal duty how the hell did I finish up in this position "


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I've actually read in more than one Royal biography that Camilla's true love was Andrew Parker-Bowles, her chronically unfaithful first husband. She never really wanted the divorce.

However, carried along by events after the Charles/Diana separation and divorce she ended up married to the Prince of Wales, who almost certainly does consider Camilla the woman of his life.

Before anyone objects I am not stating that Camilla didn't or doesn't love Charles. However I do believe that she would have been just as content to stay married to Andrew Parker-Bowles.

"Fate happens" as the late Aristotle Onassis often said.

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Moonmaiden23

I've actually read in more than one Royal biography that Camilla's true love was Andrew Parker-Bowles, her chronically unfaithful first husband. She never really wanted the divorce.

"Fate happens" as the late Aristotle Onassis often said.

I think she fell out of love with Andrew. She got tired of the unfaithfulness, and she wanted a steadier man in her life and that was Charles. She did love Andrew when they were young and they are still good friends, but I think that she fell in love with Charles as time went on, because she knew she came first with him. Andrew wanted a divorce too, because he was in love with his second wife. but as long as Charles was tied to Diana, Andrew would not get a divorce and leave his wife open to attacks, but when it looked as if Charles and Diana were going to split up and Charles would be free to look after Camilla, Andrew wanted out. I think Camilla certainly wanted to be with her lover. Certanly from what I've read of her love letters to Charles, and conversation with him, she was fed up with Andrew then and was not as close to him..and wanted to be free.
I don't think she cared that much about a marriage, in itself, but she was older, she wanted a stable relationship and was happy to marry him...If the powers that be had said "we don't want you marryng Charles, but it would be Ok if you lived with him discreetly in private", I think she would have accepted that. however, I am sure she was not unhappy iwht the idea of being properly legally married and being Duchess of Cornwall etc...

[Pranter]

Hmmm I've always gotten the impression that Camilla is not a fan of the spotlight and would of been just as happy to NOT have the titles (or the marriage). I think she would of been perfectly content to remain living in the country with her horses and dogs and Charles visiting when his schedule allowed..and/or she joining him for various events.


LaRae

[Denville]

Originally Posted by Pranter

Hmmm I've always gotten the impression that Camilla is not a fan of the spotlight and would of been just as happy to NOT have the titles (or the marriage).
LaRae

I don't think she's crazy about it, but she is willing to do the job. And what woman realy would prefer to be in the background all the time when her partner is KIng? I think she enjoys some of the life, she may not be a natural socialite but she has learned ot dress and look smart and I'm sure she does not really mind being a future queen, being curtsied to and wearing a nice dress and tiara...
And she knew that she had to be married ot him, when he was king.. so I think she accepted that, without too much demur.

[Osipi]

This is a general topic thread and there's millions upon millions of other people in the universe besides Charles/Diana/Camilla. Perhaps the moderators can move the dissection of Camilla to the appropriate thread?

[Curryong]

Yes, could we please move to discussion of what we know of the marriages of some of the European royals? I think Diana was fabulous and I love discussing her and the whole situation with C-and-C, but there are equally fascinating elements in the background of other Royal marriages too.

For instance, while Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands is well known for getting on well with her daughters in law, Letizia of Spain and Maria-Teresa of Luxembourg had a harder time being accepted by their husbands' parents, if some rumours are to be believed. If true this must have placed quite a strain on these marriages, especially in the initial stages, however much in love the couples were.

[Jacknch]

Yes indeed, could we please try not drag analyse of the marriages of Charles/Camilla/Diana into every possible thread, considering the overall topic of this thread. Thanks you.

[Dee Anna]

Originally Posted by Denville

I dont know much about the Scandinvian royals, is there any reason why you say that you dont think Fred and Mary of Denmark and Haakon and Mette Marit are in love? Is is the social and cultural gaps?

Mary and Frederick always appear to be completely happy in their own (joint) company; they met as many do - adults with history - and went on to want to make the ultimate commitment. The normality of it speaks for itself.

William and Kate? Not so sure. After an eight year relationship (with a couple of short term splits) it was only short of their engagement announcement that William actually really acknowladged her.
There was the odd high profile appearance, such as his passing out ceremony, but events such as friends weddings the couple did not arrive as a couple!
It always appeared as an unequal relationship.
True, once the decision was made, William has been seen to be completely attentive, but Kate has a long time to wait to be acknowladged.

[Denville]

I thought that there were rumours of Fred at least having other interests..
so that's why I wonder how true lovey they are. So is that normal?

And As for Will and Kate I think it has more to do with his wanting to keep the media out of his relationship. Until he and K were engaged he intended to keep the press guessing and protect himself and Kate. I don't think it is an unequal relationship. I think frankly they are such a dull couple, they are right for each other.

[Denville]

well others? How about Caro of Monaco? what about her 3 husbands? I think she was in love with Casirighi...

[Dee Anna]

Unaware of any rumours, are they true??! (my bad!! lol!)

Regarding William and Kate, I'm probably going back to when both princes were in long term (acknowladged or not) relationships; William and Kate; Harry and Chelsy.

The comparsion was obvious.

Harry and Chelsy looked like they were in an equal relationship, no one called the shots. Ultimately Chelsy called time in the end; that life was not for her. But while it lasted it was open and recognised.

During that time Kate was William's long term (largely) unrecognised girlfriend.

Yes, once William had made up his mind, all went well for Kate.

But there is no doubt who looked the happiest couple during those years.

[Rudolph]

Which just goes to show you can't really judge a relationship from the outside looking in.

Harry and Chelsy are yesterday's news while William and Catherine are happily married with children.

It's like what people have been saying throughout the thread. Every couple is different and what's 'true love' for one isn't true love for another.

Whatever works, works.

[royal rob]

Rumours of Fred are just that rumours which we don't talk about here. Mary and Fred seem a happy couple who work well as a team.


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