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Old 03-27-2017, 03:18 PM
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Andreas von Bechtolsheim * 5.000 Million Euro
Familie August von Finck * 5.000 Million Euro
Wilhelm von Finck jr. * 1.800 Million Euro
Familie von Metzler * 1.200 Million Euro
Stefan von Holtzbrinck * 1.150 Million Euro
Georg von Opel * 700 Million Euro
Familie Waldburg-Zeil * 650 Million Euro
Familie zu Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg * 600 Million Euro
Familie von Thurn und Taxis * 550 Million Euro
Georg Enoch von und zu Guttenberg * 500 Million Euro
Anton Wolfgang von Faber-Castell * 450 Million Euro
Botho von Schwarzkopf * 400 Million Euro
Dieter von Holtzbrinck * 400 Million Euro
Ernst August von Hannover * 350 Million Euro
Familie zu Fürstenberg * 350 Million Euro
Familie Castell-Castell * 300 Million Euro
Familie Castell-Rüdenhausen * 300 Million Euro
Familie Graf von Hardenberg * 300 Million Euro
Familie von Bismarck * 300 Million Euro
Familie zu Waldburg-Wolfegg und Waldsee * 300 Million Euro
Edler von Resch * 250 Million Euro

Figures from Manager Magazin

And a list for the UK: http://bit.ly/2o2NqEO
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Old 03-27-2017, 03:28 PM
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650 Million Euro
Princes of Waldburg-Zeil and Trauchburg
550 Million Euro
Princes of Thurn and Taxis
500 Million Euro
Princes of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
350 Million Euro
Princes of Fürstenberg; Princes of Hannover
300 Million Euro
Princes of Bismarck; Princes of Castell-Castell; Princes of Castell-Rüdenhausen; Princes of Waldburg-Wolfegg and Waldsee

Figures are from Manager Magazin
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Old 03-27-2017, 04:20 PM
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How awkward and ordinair a thread is this?
Really.Who cares.Citing a rag,oh really,they
have to sell you see....Cheap!
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Old 03-27-2017, 06:49 PM
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That's being a bit harsh to a new poster, dont you think?
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Old 03-27-2017, 08:28 PM
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650 Million Euro
Princes of Waldburg-Zeil and Trauchburg
550 Million Euro
Princes of Thurn and Taxis
500 Million Euro
Princes of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
350 Million Euro
Princes of Fürstenberg; Princes of Hannover
300 Million Euro
Princes of Bismarck; Princes of Castell-Castell; Princes of Castell-Rüdenhausen; Princes of Waldburg-Wolfegg and Waldsee

Figures are from Manager Magazin
Welcome!

That's quite interesting. Do you have the link to this article?
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Old 03-28-2017, 02:36 AM
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How awkward and ordinair a thread is this?
Really.Who cares.Citing a rag,oh really,they
have to sell you see....Cheap!
Congratulations on showing a new member how *not* to be open-minded about other people's opinions.

Can't seem to find a working link to Manager Magazin (on Lucien's classification of it as a rag, I'd like a second opinion..), but the previous year's lists of wealthiest germans (from which the figures are taken imo) is also on wiki
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List...sten_Deutschen

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Old 03-28-2017, 09:18 PM
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Thank you both Minute and Lee-Z.
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Old 03-29-2017, 09:12 AM
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650 Million Euro
Princes of Waldburg-Zeil and Trauchburg
550 Million Euro
Princes of Thurn and Taxis
500 Million Euro
Princes of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
350 Million Euro
Princes of Fürstenberg; Princes of Hannover
300 Million Euro
Princes of Bismarck; Princes of Castell-Castell; Princes of Castell-Rüdenhausen; Princes of Waldburg-Wolfegg and Waldsee

Figures are from Manager Magazin
Interesting! Seems the Hannovers are more wealthy than articles from a while back where telling. Or the selling of things and Ernst-August jr. managing finances very well set them on the road of recovery.
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Old 03-30-2017, 07:00 AM
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650 Million Euro
Princes of Waldburg-Zeil and Trauchburg
550 Million Euro
Princes of Thurn and Taxis
500 Million Euro
Princes of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg
350 Million Euro
Princes of Fürstenberg; Princes of Hannover
300 Million Euro
Princes of Bismarck; Princes of Castell-Castell; Princes of Castell-Rüdenhausen; Princes of Waldburg-Wolfegg and Waldsee

Figures are from Manager Magazin
350 Million Euro Princes zu Fürstenberg also.
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Old 04-17-2017, 04:40 PM
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According to the 2016 Sunday Times Rich List, there are 6 hereditary peers who are also billionaires in Britain:

1. The Duke of Westminster - £9350m
2. Earl Cadogan - £5700m
3. Baroness Howard de Walden - £3630m
4. Viscount Portman - £1890m
5. Lord Grantchester - £1200m
6. Viscount Rothermere - £1000m

Are there any in the rest of Europe?
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Old 04-17-2017, 05:53 PM
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Sunday Times Rich List 2016: The aristocrats that are richer than the Queen - Business Insider

This article states that the Queen is the 15th richest titled member of the nobility (I guess you could argue she is above that but still you get the point, and I actually think their definition of nobility is pretty stretched). They refer to the Sunday Times Rich List which ranks the Queen as having £340million.
Those above her are:
The Duke of Northumberland - £365million
Charlotte Townshend - £425million (apparently the only other person other than the Queen who is allowed to own wild swans
The Duke of Sutherland - £580million
Lord Rothschild - £650million
The Duke of Bedford - £685million
Prince Jonathan and Princess Gesine Doria Pamphilj - £750million
The Earl of Iveagh and Guinness Family - £854million
The Duke of Devonshire - £870million
Viscount Rothermere - £1billion
Robert Miller & Princess Marie-Chantal - £1.58billion
Viscount Portman - £1.89billion
Baroness Howard de Walden - £3.63billion
Earl Cadagon - £5.7billion
The Duke of Westminster - £9.35billion
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Old 04-17-2017, 06:05 PM
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Sunday Times Rich List 2016: The aristocrats that are richer than the Queen - Business Insider

This article states that the Queen is the 15th richest titled member of the nobility (I guess you could argue she is above that but still you get the point, and I actually think their definition of nobility is pretty stretched). They refer to the Sunday Times Rich List which ranks the Queen as having £340million.
Those above her are:
The Duke of Northumberland - £365million
Charlotte Townshend - £425million (apparently the only other person other than the Queen who is allowed to own wild swans
The Duke of Sutherland - £580million
Lord Rothschild - £650million
The Duke of Bedford - £685million
Prince Jonathan and Princess Gesine Doria Pamphilj - £750million
The Earl of Iveagh and Guinness Family - £854million
The Duke of Devonshire - £870million
Viscount Rothermere - £1billion
Robert Miller & Princess Marie-Chantal - £1.58billion
Viscount Portman - £1.89billion
Baroness Howard de Walden - £3.63billion
Earl Cadagon - £5.7billion
The Duke of Westminster - £9.35billion

I assume the Queen's net worth in lists like that include only her privately-owned assets , i.e. those she can sell or will, including real estate, art, and jewelry, but does not include assets placed in public trusts from which the Royal Family actually earns income. It is a very old (and well-known) debate, but the Queen's "private" wealth gives only a small glimpse of her "true" wealth.
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Old 04-17-2017, 06:23 PM
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And on paper the Bernadottes, Orange-Nassaus and De Belgiques are "poor" because their assests have been placed in legal entities which are the factual owners. We see Máxima wearing diamonds worth millions but these have been transferred from personal ownership into legal ownership. So the King of the Belgians enjoys a sprawling Château de Laeken, owned by the Donation Royale. Carl XVI Gustaf enjoys Italian Masters on his walls owned by the Galliera Foundation. Willem-Alexander is riding in a splendid Golden State Carriage pulled by eight horses, owned by one of the dozen Orange-Nassau Foundations. So who owns what and how is wealth contributed to? A very difficult question. Most magazines just stick a wet finger in the air and write from their sucking thumb.
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Old 04-17-2017, 06:46 PM
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I assume the Queen's net worth in lists like that include only her privately-owned assets , i.e. those she can sell or will, including real estate, art, and jewelry, but does not include assets placed in public trusts from which the Royal Family actually earns income. It is a very old (and well-known) debate, but the Queen's "private" wealth gives only a small glimpse of her "true" wealth.
Most such lists now only include the assets the Queen owns as an individual (Balmoral, Sandringham, the Stamp collection, jewels etc) rather than those she owns as Sovereign and Head of State (BP, Windsor, crown jewels etc).

I guess you could say that the Queen may own a lot of assets herself her job gives her access to even more magnificent assets.
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The American website 'Business Insider' has revealed a ranking of the richest monarchies in Europe

https://today.rtl.lu/life/royals/a/1378691.html
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The American website 'Business Insider' has revealed a ranking of the richest monarchies in Europe

https://today.rtl.lu/life/royals/a/1378691.html
Is this for real? The Bourbons came 9th place and the Belgiques at 10th?

Can someone shed a light on this?
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I'm not sure how Felipe has built up such a fortune and I'm not sure if the Luxembourg's can really be that wealthy?
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Is this for real? The Bourbons came 9th place and the Belgiques at 10th?

Can someone shed a light on this?
The list is roughly in line with what I expected. It is widely known that the Belgian Coburgs or the Spanish Bourbons are not privately wealthy whereas the sovereigns of Monaco , Luxembourg and Lichtenstein are billionaires. In the case of the Belgians in particular, most of the family’s private assets were transferred by King Léopold II to the Royal Donation Trust . The Trust itself was worth 850 million Euros in 2018 according to the French Wikipedia ( I can’t tell if those estimates are accurate).

I was somewhat surprised , however, with the net worth of King Harald and , especially, Queen Margrethe, which was higher than I expected.
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I'm not sure how Felipe has built up such a fortune and I'm not sure if the Luxembourg's can really be that wealthy?
Yes I am also wondering if this list was legit because as I know the Spanish Bourbon's get the cheapest stipend from the tax-payers but they are one of the most hard-working ones. As for the Luxembourg Nassau-Weilburg, they are really one of the wealthiest.

BELOW is a link about how much money royal families get from tax-payers:

**https://www.independent.co.uk/money/...-a7870711.html

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The list is roughly in line with what I expected. It is widely known that the Belgian Coburgs or the Spanish Bourbons are not privately wealthy whereas the sovereigns of Monaco , Luxembourg and Lichtenstein are billionaires. In the case of the Belgians in particular, most of the family’s private assets were transferred by King Léopold II to the Royal Donation Trust . The Trust itself was worth 850 million Euros in 2018 according to the French Wikipedia ( I can’t tell if those estimates are accurate).

I was somewhat surprised , however, with the net worth of King Harald and , especially, Queen Margrethe, which was higher than I expected.

I just want to know how did they make it to the 9th before the Belgian Coburgs. I expected them to be the last on the list. When Alfonso XIII and Ena went to exile, they might have spent all their fortune.
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Old 07-20-2019, 08:55 AM
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Yes I am also wondering if this list was legit because as I know the Spanish Bourbon's get the cheapest stipend from the tax-payers but they are one of the most hard-working ones. As for the Luxembourg Nassau-Weilburg, they are really one of the wealthiest.

BELOW is a link about how much money royal families get from tax-payers:

**https://www.independent.co.uk/money/...-a7870711.html




I just want to know how did they make it to the 9th before the Belgian Coburgs. I expected them to be the last on the list. When Alfonso XIII and Ena went to exile, they might have spent all their fortune.



I don't know about the private finances of the Bourbons, but some Spanish posters here on TRF have disputed the claim that the Spanish monarchy is actually the cheapest in Europe.



Apparently, there are several hidden costs ranging from maintenance of royal residences to security that are not explicitly included in the King's apanage as it is the case in other countries, so cross-country comparisons may be misleading. Perhaps some other members who are more knowledgeable about those matters could elaborate further.



In any case, regardless of that particular ranking, I tend to think the Belgians are in a more comfortable position than the Spanish RF. Not only do they get a higher stipend (at least nominally) for current expenses, but also they got a very good deal from King Leopold's royal donation.

Under the terms of the King Leopold's will, the Belgian RF has the private right of disposal in perpetuity to the castle and the surrounding park of Laeken (including the royal greenhouses) plus other residences such as the castles of Belvédère, Stuyvenberg, Ciergnon and Fenff, without nominally owning them. And the Trust's assets that are not used by the RF, such as office buildings in Brussels or agricultural land, are rented out for income making the Trust financially independent of the State in addition to being also run independently. Only the Royal Palace of Brussels is, I think, owned directly by the Belgian State.
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