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Old 11-29-2004, 08:13 AM
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If a crown princess gives birth to twins and it is the first pregnancy, who will be the heir to the throne? how do they decide? maybe whoever comes out first
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Old 11-29-2004, 09:41 AM
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Good question. Iīve wondered the same. When itīs a "normal birth" surely the first born is the heir. But I wonder, how itīs in the case of a cesarean (many twins are born this way). Usually one baby is closer to the cut, which the surgeon made. But I guess the surgeon could help a little bit that the prefered child (with the "right" sex) would be taken out firstly. Iīm quite sure king Carl Gustaf would have had a talk to the doctor , but I donīt know, how the more "modern" crown princes and princesses today would react (???)
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Old 11-29-2004, 01:02 PM
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It's an interesting question and would be an interesting prediciment! In most Royal families is the rule still male heir then female, or is it just first born? I'm sure that would have a lot to do with it...but then there's the identical issue, or even same sex twins. If two boys are born then what?
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Old 11-30-2004, 12:30 AM
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If a crown princess gives birth to twins and it is the first pregnancy, who will be the heir to the throne? how do they decide? maybe whoever comes out first
interesting question, it will be hard to decide . But it depend on culture if he was who coming first or last, I have uncles who were twins, who came first was all the time proud that he was the eldest, until they had a malaysian friends, who believe the eldest is who came last because that means he is generous, then my other uncle became happy .

Or may be they will make a toss, especialy if in the case of a cesarean .
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Old 11-30-2004, 03:56 AM
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the Shah of persian had a twin sister...
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Old 11-30-2004, 06:39 AM
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in this high-tech era the scientist probably could help in solving the problem by checking which one of the twins babies carried more genetic of the regent parent (can be the queen or the king) the she/he will become heritier, hehehe this is just an idea which has been passing my head but I'm not sure if this is a good way.
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:47 AM
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in this high-tech era the scientist probably could help in solving the problem by checking which one of the twins babies carried more genetic of the regent parent (can be the queen or the king) the she/he will become heritier, hehehe this is just an idea which has been passing my head but I'm not sure if this is a good way.
While I'm sure it can be done-I think the parents should have to think hard about what the outcome might be. Whether the title holds much responisibility and stress, testing to find out who holds more of the "regents" DNA can be rather dangerous, because it would be like saying, "Well you are more "ROYAL" then your sibling"...ya know?

But on that note, what if the twin were identical? Then what would happen?
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Old 11-30-2004, 03:15 PM
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In the old days government minister or palace officials witnessed the birth and noted the sex of the child and if the child was born alive. I suppose if the case ever arose they would also have placed the eldest son in a specific spot or tied something around his foot or something. Birth these days aren't witnessed, but I suppose the job now passes to the royal obstaterecian (?).
I don't know of any twin royals, have there ever been? I know that it is rumoured that Louis XIV was a twin. And unfortunately his twin was raised in a dungeon and then they stuck him in an iron mask. So that no claim to the throne was made.
In Britain - who gets to wear the Horiton Lace Christening gown? Different dates for the event perhaps.
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Old 12-01-2004, 01:41 PM
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i love being as Royal Twins whatsoever if have each girls or each boy or one girl or one boy like Julia Roberts did!

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DNA can be rather dangerous, because it would be like saying, "Well you are more "ROYAL" then your sibling"...ya know?
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But on that note, what if the twin were identical? Then what would happen?
Well, what I meant is there should be a reason in choosing (one of them to be) a regent then legalized it by the law, this will make the other twin can accept that she/he will not be a regent. Just like in the old time when the female knows that just only male can be a regent (even if some one can give a proof that the princess more royal than the prince ); or at this time in some monarchies where king's children know that the eldest will be a regent (no matter male of female). But you are right there will be another problem if they are identical twins. Geeeezzz......it is really a confusing matter. The other posibility way is the royal family and the government have to wait until they are adult then let the people to choose/vote.
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:13 PM
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Well, it depends on the country's "rules"!
For an example, in Denmark, if it was a girl and a boy, the boy would no matter what be the heir! Otherwise it would be the first born....
But we mostly think it's the first born :)

There isn't many Royal twins, are there?? We're twins ourselves and it would be so cool if some Royalty was :)
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:32 PM
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I saw a Bible movie and someone had twinns-it was Rebecca. They tied a scarlet ribbon around Esau's wrist to signify he was the first born. Of course that later would not matter
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Old 12-06-2004, 07:38 AM
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Luxembourg is the land of twins. I know what I talk about because I'm also a twin.



But there are two examples for royal twins in Luxembourg:



Princess Margaretha (married Prince Nikolaus of Liechtenstein) and Prince Jean (married Helen Vestur) both born on 15th May 1957. They are the children of Grand Duke Jean and Grand Duchess Josephine Charlotte of Luxembourg!



Charlotte and Leopold (born 2th May 2000), the children of Prince Guillaume (son of Grand Duke Jean and Grand Duchess Josephine Charlotte) and Sibilla Weiler!


Pictures of Princess Margaretha and Prince Jean:

1. newborn in 1957
2. in 1964 (on the couch)
3. in 1968
4. in 1976


Pictures of Charlotte and Leopold:

1.and 2. on the arms of mother and father
3. and 4. in the home in Betzdorf (Luxembourg)
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very interesting, also thanks for the photos:)
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Old 02-24-2005, 08:27 AM
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i believe that in the case of when a country has the birth of twin boys. the first born twin will be the one placed ahead of his twin in the succession. despite the fact that they are twins, and just because of the fact that he happened to be born before he was. even though, it was only a few minutes difference.
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Old 02-24-2005, 08:45 AM
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Usually they can tell by Cesarian which child will be born first if it were a natural birth. I'm sure they would make every effort to remove that one first.

If it is a mixed sex twins (boy and girl) the boy always takes precidence even in cases where theh woman can inherit the throne.
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Old 02-25-2005, 12:41 AM
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Yes,Sara it will be so fanstastic if Royal Female has Twins one girl and one boy.
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Princess Irene of the Netherlands And her ex-husband Prince Carl Hugo of Bourbon de Parma have twins too.
The rebel princess Magaretha of bourbon de parma is the twinsister of Prince Jaime.
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Old 04-04-2005, 06:20 PM
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Well adopt a presidential system as solution? Or do it like the roman emperors: Adopt the heir by choice!
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you are forgetting a main thing with twins.
one baby is usually healthier than the other.
twins not only share their mother's belly but they also share the nutrients and instead of having one healthy baby weighing in at 7 pounds you get two babies weighing each 4 to 6 pounds.
the healthier one would most likely be picked to reign because they would not have as many health problems associated with being a twin.
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