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I want :bang: to know all the Princes and Princess have done the military service and if there are photos.
 
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I believe that all the crown princes have done military service:

CP Frederik was in the royal navy
CP Felipe was in the royal military
CP Haakon
CP WA
CP Phillipe,

other royals:
Prince William of Wales- in training
Prince Harry of Wales- finishing training, to go into guards
the Princess Royal- she served, but I don't remember
Prince Andrew, Duke of York actually served in a war, (did he pilot a boat? I don't remember- but he got some recognition for his service)
the Duchess of Cornwall was recently named the head of some military thing, honorarily

- HM QEII trained as a driver in the royal army during WWII. That's when
she learned how to drive!
- Lord Philip Mountbatten, was serving in the Royal Navy when the thirteen-
year-old daughter of the King of England saw him for the first time. It
was supposedly love at first sight for her. Only after Lt. Philip
Mountbatten returned from serving in WWII did the relationship
became formalized. They were engaged secretly in 1945, but it was not
announced until 1946. They soon married, and Philip was styled HRH
the Duke of Edinburgh.

- Hereditary Grand Duke Guillaume went through schooling and training at
Sandringham Academy in England, where the British Army trains, and
where all Luxembourgish officers train. However, because of his
position as heir to the throne of Luxembourg, he has never served. But
he does look pretty handsome in his uniform on National Days.
-Guillaume's little brother, Prince Louis, served with the military in a peace
keeping role in Kosovo. That is were he met the mother of his son,
who would become his bride.
-Madame Tessy de Nassau, wife of Prince Louis of Luxembourg, was
serving as a nurse in the Luxembourgish military in Kosovo, where she
met her prince. After giving birth to their son several months ago, she
married Louis this month in Luxembourg
 
Prince Albert II of Monaco served in the French Navy. I believe his late father, Prince Rainier, did as well.
 
the Princess Royal- she served, but I don't remember
Prince Andrew, Duke of York actually served in a war, (did he pilot a boat? I don't remember- but he got some recognition for his service)

The Princess Royal was never in the military but she she does hold several honourary apppointments including the Blues and Royals where Prince Henry and Prince William are/will be serving with.

If you want pictures of William and Harry check there current event files.

The Duke of York was a helicopter pilot, that was based on an aircraft carrier.
 
I want to know if sombody has a photos of prince Haakon when he was in the navy.
 
King Abdullah and six of his siblings have done military duty--Prince Faisal, Princess Aisha, Prince Ali, Prince Hamzah, Prince Hashim and Princess Iman. Prince Faisal is the only one who didn't graduate from Sandhurst although he is still active in the Air Force.

Princess Aisha is the first(?) woman Brigadier General in the Jordanian Army while the youngest member of their family who is in the military is Princess Iman, who was commissioned as 2nd lieutenant upon her graduation from Sandhurst.

Princess Iman graduating from Sandhurst, from ViewImages:


just a question: is Princess Iman on active duty? because i haven't read any articles or news about her service in the Army...
 
Thank you very much, norwegianne, but I need to have others photos. Because I am your fan of him and always I am collected all of his life. I need other links.
 
I believe that all the crown princes have done military service:

CP Frederik was in the royal navy
CP Felipe was in the royal military
CP Haakon
CP WA
CP Phillipe,


I understand that the above royals have trained, but their military service was primarily compliance with protocol if not ceremonial.

Prince Andrew on the other hand actually saw combat in the Falklands and served as a helicopter pilot with valor taking enemy fire on a mission.
 
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Military career

The Prince performed his military service in the Royal Netherlands Navy. He is Aide-de-Camp Extraordinary to Her Majesty the Queen.

The Prince performed his military service in the Royal Netherlands Navy from August 1985 to January 1987. He spent several months training at the Royal Naval Institute in Den Helder, after which he served on board the frigates HMS Tromp and HMS Abraham Crijnssen. In 1988, he received refresher training, serving as a duty officer on board the frigate HMS Van Kinsbergen.

After graduating in 1993, the Prince gained his Military Pilot’s Licence with 334 Transport Squadron of the Royal Netherlands Air Force.
In 1994, the Prince spent several months at the Netherlands Defence College, studying aspects of the work of the Royal Netherlands Army and Air Force.

Click to enlarge. Source pictures: ANP.


Brigadier-General in the Royal Netherlands Army, Guards' Regiment Grenadiers.
Grand Day Tenue.


Brigadier-General in the Royal Netherlands Army, Guards' Regiment Grenadiers.
Normal Day Tenue.


Brigadier-General in the Royal Netherlands Army, Guards' Regiment Grenadiers.
Normal Day Tenue (in the Caribbean and the Tropics).




Commodore in the Royal Netherlands Air Force.
Ceremonial Tenue.



Commodore in the Royal Netherlands Navy.
Normal Day Tenue.


Commodore in the Royal Netherlands Navy.
Grand Day Tenue.


Commodore in the Royal Netherlands Navy.
Grand Day Tenue. (In the Caribbean and the Tropics).


Commodore in the Royal Netherlands Navy.
Grand Evening Tenue.


Commodore in the Royal Netherlands Navy.
Grand Evening Tenue. (In the Caribbean and the Tropics).
 
Quin said:
I believe that all the crown princes have done military service:

CP Frederik was in the royal navy
CP Felipe was in the royal military
CP Haakon
CP WA
CP Phillipe,


I understand that the above royals have trained, but their military service was primarily compliance with protocol if not ceremonial.

Prince Andrew on the other hand actually saw combat in the Falklands and served as a helicopter pilot with valor taking enemy fire on a mission.

I do not know about the other Crown Princes but Frederik developed a taste for the military and have done alot more then just comply with protocol for cerimonial reasons. He is a fully trained soldier with the special forces.

Military Service:
The Royal Life Guard 1986.
Lieutenant in the Reserve (Army) 1988.
Reconnaissance Platoon Commander with the Royal Guard Hussars’ Regiment 1988.
First Lieutenant in the Reserve (Army) 1989.
Royal Danish Navy Frogman Corps 1995 (equivalent to Special Boat Service – Royal Marines, or US Navy Seals).
First Lieutenant in the Reserve (Navy) 1995.
Captain in the Reserve (Army) 1997.
Lieutenant Commander in the Reserve (Navy) 1997.
Royal Danish Air Force Flying School 2000
Captain in the Reserve (Air Force) 2000.
Command and General Staff Course, Royal Danish Defence College 2001-2002.
Commander (Navy) and Major (Army, Air Force) 2002.
Staff Officer, Defence Command Denmark 2002-2003.
Senior lecturer with the Institute of Strategy at the Royal Danish Defence College, 2003-.
Commander senior grade in the Navy, lieutenant colonel in the Army, and lieutenant colonel in the Air Force 2004

http://www.kronprinsparret.dk/5e000c
 
MargreteI said:
I do not know about the other Crown Princes but Frederik developed a taste for the military and have done alot more then just comply with protocol for cerimonial reasons. He is a fully trained soldier with the special forces.

I am informed of CP Frederik’s “taste”, but the point I am making is that he as with the others have not been tested or seen combat as did Prince Andrew. And perhaps if Denmark was involved in some conflict, he might have seen some combat. I think it highly unlikely as the CP. The days of an heir seeing combat are long over and that is why I say their military service was primarily compliance with protocol if not ceremonial. Have read in some magazines that Prince Harry may serve in Iraq if not dawn a uniform while on Iraqi soil. Suppose it is like expecting a CP of this age to marry equally.
 
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LadyK said:
CP Frederik was in the royal navy
CP Felipe was in the royal military
CP Haakon
CP WA
CP Phillipe

Both CP Frederik and WA were given an all around training .... army, air force & navy. It wouldn't surprise me if this alos applied to CP Felipe and CP Phillipe.

To date the only pictures I have seen of CP Haakon is in the navy.
 
hrhcp can you say me where you see the pictures of prince Haakon? Maybe, in other link?
 
marian said:
hrhcp can you say me where you see the pictures of prince Haakon? Maybe, in other link?
I can't remember. All I can suggest to you is to check it out on Google, which I seem to recall is the way I came across it, or on www.kongehuset.no.
 
Will William be commissioned as a Lt or 2nd Lt?
 
Hallo there Royal Fan;
All General Service Officers (GSOs) who graduate from the Royal Military Academy, are commissioned as Second Lieutenants. They then proceed to their more corps-specific training before being posted to their regiments. Usually, it takes between 1-2 years after graduation to be promoted to Lieutenant.
 
Queen Elizabeth II is still the only female member of the British royal family to serve in the military and her sons both Prince Charles and Prince Andrew served in the navy.
 
Next Star said:
Queen Elizabeth II is still the only female member of the British royal family to serve in the military and her sons both Prince Charles and Prince Andrew served in the navy.

Yes, but I wouldn't quite call it military service. I believe QEII provided ground transport and light auto maintenance during WWII. I have seen some reel footage in this regard. I hope it just wasn't some photo op.

I was very happy to learn that George VI stayed in London during the bombings and didn't flee to the countryside as many others did. Also pleased to see footage of him doing walk abouts with the then Queen assessing the damage.

I also recently read that G VI really did not want to go on the 3 month royal tour of South Africa in following the war in 1947. Instead, he wanted to say in the UK to be near his people at a time of great economic difficulty, unemployment and reconstruction. I am also very impressed with his commitment to his family and devotion to his wife, another uncommon trait as modern royals go. For all the claims that he was weak, not prepared for the throne and a stammerer, history has given him some credit at least when compared to modern royals.
 
Quin said:
Yes, but I wouldn't quite call it military service. I believe QEII provided ground transport and light auto maintenance during WWII. I have seen some reel footage in this regard. I hope it just wasn't some photo op.

It was military service. You have to remember the times...women didn't have many ways to serve back then. They certainly weren't allowed in harms way. A support position like Princess Elizabeth, or as a nurse were pretty much it. You also have to remember that she was only 19 when the war was over.

Prince Philip saw active service throughout WWII. He was mentioned in dispatches. He was also present for the Japanese surrender.
 
LadyK said:
Prince Andrew, Duke of York actually served in a war, (did he pilot a boat? I don't remember- but he got some recognition for his service)

i believe that was in the Falklands war (with Argentina), back in 1989.
 
Prince Carl-Philp of Sweden served in the navy.
 
As of now Both William and Henry are 2nd Lts how soon will we see them as Captains?
 
How hard Will Williams Training be in The Navy and Air Force. and do you think there is a chance of <A. Prince Henry serving in a War Zone or B. Joining The Marines
 
As of now Both William and Henry are 2nd Lts how soon will we see them as Captains?

Both HRH Prince William of Wales and HRH Prince Henry of Wales have joined the Blues and Royals (a division of the Household Cavalry Regiment), and as such, are Cornets (not 2nd Lieutenants). This is however, merely a point of terminology, not an additional rank.

The general progression for army officers is 1-2 years until promotion to Lieutenant and then 3-5 years until promotion to Captain. Ofcourse, Her Majesty may wish to appoint them Royal/Regimental Colonels, Colonels-Commandant or Colonels-in-Chief of any regiments within the British or Dominions armies. In that event, when acting in the capacity of such an appointment, Their Royal Highnesses would wear appropriate rank for the appointment, despite them holding the rank of Lieutenant, Captain, Major etc in their own career units.

How hard Will Williams Training be in The Navy and Air Force. and do you think there is a chance of <A. Prince Henry serving in a War Zone or B. Joining The Marines

The training shall be no different than that of any other officers in training. However, HRH may wear the service rank equal to that held in the Army eg: should HRH Prince William take up Naval training while also being a Captain in the Army, HRH would probably wear the RN rank of Lieutenant etc. The same case applies to the RAF.

I believe there is a chance of HRH Prince Henry serving in a war zone but, only when HRH's military service has progressed so far as HRH being given a regular HQ appointment, meaning that regardless of being in Horseguards or Bazra, Prince Henry would continue in HRH's regimental work regardless. The most limiting point at the present time, is the risky nature of life commanding a squadron of armoured vehicles. Being regimental 2IC (or any other HQ appointment) wouldn't pose the same constant threat.

HRH Prince Henry belongs to the Army, to a Household Cavalry Regiment, had he wanted to join the Royal Marines, I'm certain he'd have done so. That not being the case, there's little chance of it occurring.
 
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Prince Amedeo of Belgium is a reserve officer in the Belgian Army.
 
Aside from being patronizing and demeaning about whatever happens to Leonor's "cute head" or not, her grandfather had to stop a coup. And he attributes that largely to having known a lot of the participants from the military academy.

She's going to be CINC, not a mascot. She's doing three years. It's not just a show.

Her grandfather stopped a coup, but those were different times when Spain was a relatively new democracy after decades of a fascist dictatorship. Nowadays, Spain is a mature European parliamentary democracy and the possibility of the armed forces ever attempting a coup is close to zero. In fact, even back then, the attempted coup was more like an isolated act of a few extremists and never backed by the professional heads of the armed forces as far as I understand.

As for the CINC role, despite JC's actions during the aforementioned coup, I understand it is mostly ceremonial nowadays, not unlike the role of the British monarch or the Governors General in the realms. The CINC awards military honors and I suppose probably presents colors to military units and approves new military insignia and badges. All officers and enlisted ranks also swear an oath that includes a pledge of loyalty to the King. However, the Spanish constitution says that the responsibility for the military administration and for national defense lies with the government, which is constitutionally separate from the King in Spain.

Realistically speaking, Leonor does not need military training to exercise the role of CINC in the narrow sense that this role is defined, either explicitly or in practice, in modern Spain. Under normal circumstances, she won't have political control over the miitary (that lies with the prime minister and the defense minister) and much less operational command over the forces (which lies with the military chiefs of staff and the unit or field commanders below them). Having said that, I don't think she is "a mascot" either and I believe the training she is getting is for real and that she will get out of the 3 service academies with real military skills. I just don't see a point of doing it unless she really likes or is interested in military life.

King Felipe VI mentioned once that the military education of the Princess was also important because of the values that military life can instill on people and its importance in character building (or something along those lines). I don't disagree with the King that military education indeed has the merits he mentioned and builds character and other commendable virtues, but I disagree that Leonor (and most other people) cannot acquire similar virtues in a civilian life only without having any military experience.

Again my problem is with why it is accepted without any debate that Leonor must be in the military because she is the heir to the Crown as if that were an absolute truth. Mutatis mutandis, I believe the same question applies to most other heirs (in some countries like the Netherlands, military service doesn't seem to be such a big deal, at least for female heirs, although men might be possibly treated differently).

Both attended colleges based on Kurt Hahn philosophy, only different countries.
I guess it will be a bit difficult for Leonor, as a woman, and she won't do the degree as her classmates will do.
Then going to Uni, older than her classmates.
But she is not an ordinary girl.

From a certain point of view, it could be better to go to uni first and then enter the military academy later as Prince William did.

However, the UK has a completely different model of military education since its military academies are not degree-granting institutions as in the United States, Canada, Belgium, and, I believe, Spain. Instead, the British military academies are more like technical colleges that offer a short officer's commissioning course (44 weeks for example at Sandhurst) after which the junior commissioned officers move on to other additional specialist training courses in their chosen branches (aviation, infantry, signals, intelligence, logistics, etc.). Technically you can join the military academies straight out of secondary school (A-Levels in England), but nowadays in practice, over 80 % of the officer cadets in the British Army, and higher than that in the RAF and possibly in the Royal Navy, finish a 3-year bachelor's degree or a 4-year undergraduate master's degree first before joining a military academy (as William did). Of course, for some specialized branches in the military like for engineers, lawyers, medical doctors, nurses, and chaplains, a previous university degree is already mandatory to join that branch specifically after commissioning.

In comparison, in countries where the military academies are degree-granting institutions, which I think is an increasingly common model in many countries, one would typically leave High School and stay 3 or 4 years in the military academy, earning both a bachelor's degree and an officer's commission in the process. After that, they go directly into military service and do not get a second bachelor's degree from a civilian university although they may earn a master's (or even a PhD) degree later from a civilian university as they progress in their military career. The latter by the way is also common in the UK, where many candidates for promotion to senior officer (especially general officer) later in life usually get another specialized one-year master's degree in defense studies or something similar.

I have a split opinion about which model of military education is better, although I am slightly biased in favor of the US model, but, in any case, Leonor and Elisabeth are exceptions in the sense of getting (partial) military training in the academies without graduating with a degree and then completing a bachelor's degree at a civilian university when they are older. For Leonor, the (full-time) military training phase is just longer than in Elisabeth's case, meaning that she will be even older when she goes to university.

PS: In the US, rather than being a full-time officer cadet in a 4-year degree-granting federal military academy, there is also the flexibility of attending a civilian university and receiving part-time military training in parallel through an ROTC program, but still commissioning as an active-duty officer in the regular armed forces. In fact, surprisingly, most regular (not reserve) junior officers in the US now come from ROTC, rather than the more exclusive and elitist federal military academies.
 
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I think one of the reasons that Leonor is following in her father's footsteps in her military training is because Felipe believes he was well prepared for his role as King. In fact, of the current and recent Kings and Queens, Felipe seems very at peace with his education and training. When guiding Leonor, it may have simply been a situation of Felipe actively encouraging the Princess to make similar decisions. It is also not unusual for military parents to enthusiastically support their children entering the military, out of the belief that it gave them leadership and training for life outside the military.

What I don't understand, is that if Leonor did the 4 years for the military degree, would this have barred her from an undergraduate degree in law (which is what is hinted to be her future uni education)? In some countries, you can only get one undergraduate/bachelor's, and in others, you can obtain dual degrees of equal stature. Otherwise, I don't really understand why she isn't getting the full military degree, but I'm guessing there is a reason I don't know.
 
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