Royal Divorce

[sndral]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

Louis VII divorced his first 2 wives (first being Eleanor of Aquitane) ...

His son Philip II had an interesting second marriage. After his first wife died he married Ingeborg of Denmark but he suddenly decided on their wedding night he didn't want to be married. He tried claiming they hadn't consummated but Ingeborg staunchly argued they had and the church supported her. He also tried to claim they were cousins, which was disproven. It took years for him to get an annulment. ..

Actually I don't think Philip II ever managed to have his marriage to Ingeborg of Denmark annulled. Despite keeping her locked away and Philip II's repeated attempts to annul the marriage and the fact that he 'married' Agnes of Merania in 1196, and had children by Agnes, the Pope refused to annul Phillip II's marriage to Ingeborg, and ultimately forced Philip II to put aside Agnes and recognize Ingeborg as his wife in 1200, but Philip II reneged. Agnes died in 1201, and finally in 1213, Philip II recognized Ingeborg as his wife.
The fascinating part of the whole saga was that Agnes was not Philip's first choice to replace Ingeborg - his bride was supposed to be Margaret of Geneva, but on her way to her wedding to Philip II in 1195, Thomas of Savoy kidnapped her claiming Philip wasn't free to marry as he was still married to Ingeborg.
Thomas of Savoy married Margaret of Geneva himself and they had 14 children. Their daughter Beatrice of Savoy was the mother of 4 Queens, including Queen Margaret of France (wife of Louis IX) and Queen Eleanor of England (wife of Henry III.)

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

Louis VII divorced his first 2 wives (first being Eleanor of Aquitane)

Louis VII didn't divorce his second wife Constance of Castile, as she died giving birth to her second daughter Alys. The king waited just five weeks before getting remarried.

Originally Posted by Countessmeout

Louis XI may have only divorced/annuelled one but his annulment could rival any modern scandal. Failing on other grounds, he claimed his wife was hideously malformed and was unable to bed her. And further that she performed witch craft. She had witnesses to prove he was wrong, but the Pope had more to gain from supporting the king and granted it. His wife would later be canonized.

Louis XI was the father of Joan of Valois, who later became canonized, her husband was Louis XII, whose third wife was Mary Tudor, sister of Henry VIII.

Two other marriages that ended in divorce in the French royal history are the ill-fated marriage between Henry (IV) of Navarre and Margaret of Valois, the daughter of Catherine de Medici, and sister to three French kings. Their wedding festivities are most known for the St Bartholomew's Days Massacre.

The second marriage ending in a divorce was between Napoleon Bonaparte and his first wife Joséphine de Beauharnais, his second marriage with Marie Louise of Austria ended with separation, not a divorce.

[Denville]

Since Henri IV became a Catholic I'd assume his marriage to Marguerite de Valois was annulled, not ended in divorce.

[eya]

"The map of royal divorces in Europe:only Belgium is saved" so far at least!!

https://translate.googleusercontent....DcNkQzsORPLZbg

[xenobia]

Originally Posted by eya

"The map of royal divorces in Europe:only Belgium is saved" so far at least!!

https://translate.googleusercontent....DcNkQzsORPLZbg

I find it strange that they include Sweden here. Not because I think that divorces in the royal family couldn't happen here, but there hasn't been any, at least not in the current royal family. They bring up the case of princess Birgitta (the king's sister). She and her husband never divorced. They lived separate lives the last years until his death a year ago, but were never formally divorced and - as I understand it - were on friendly and speaking terms with eachother.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by eya

"The map of royal divorces in Europe:only Belgium is saved" so far at least!!

https://translate.googleusercontent....DcNkQzsORPLZbg

That is not correct. Princess Louise of Belgium divorced from Prince Philipp von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, Duke of Kohary, after affairs with the Dutch nobleman Daniel Baron d’Ablaing van Giessenburg, then the Austrian-Hungarian nobleman Nikolaus Baron Döry de Jobahaza, before she finally felt for the Croatian nobleman Geza Count von Mattachich-Keglevich.

It became THE scandal of the fin-de-siècle and the Princess was even placed in jail (!) and a psychiatric hospital. Anyway, Princess Louise indeed divorced Prince Philipp von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha, Duke of Kohary, with disastrous consequences. Her ex-husband, humiliated before the eye of tout Almanach de Gotha swore revenge and stalked his ex-spouse and her new husband with bailiffs. In 1924 Princess Louise, daughter of one of the wealthiest men on Earth ever, once sister to an Empress of Austria, once sister to a Princess Bonaparte, once niece to an Empress of Mexico, died in unimagineable bitter, bitter poverty in Wiesbaden, Germany.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by eya

"The map of royal divorces in Europe:only Belgium is saved" so far at least!!

https://translate.googleusercontent....DcNkQzsORPLZbg

There has also be a divorce in the belgian RF. Princess Marie-Christine the half-sister of Kings Baudouin I. and Albert II. was divorced from her first husband after a short marriage.
But in the Princely Family of Liechtenstein there has been no divorce in the close Family when looking at the descendants of the late Fürst Franz Josef and Fürstin Gina). There have been divorces in some of the other many branches of the Family however.

[maria-olivia]

Duc , I read a book about her life , She had bad and stupid provocation behaviours .

[maria-olivia]

In the five Catholic Royal Families they are divorces.
Infanta Elena and nearly all the Children of Infanta Pilar divorced.
Liechtenstein : Prince Alexander and Princess Maria Pia of Savoie
The highlight is Monaco on several Generations :
Princess Charlotte,
Princess Antoinette 2x
Princess Caroline , Princess Stepanie 2x.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Also here the question pops up: what is the Royal House and what is not? Can you file the divorce of Princess Margarita de Bourbon de Parme (granddaughter of Queen Juliana of the Netherlands) from Mr Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn under "Dutch monarchy"? For me that is a divorce in the House of Bourbon-Parma.

So there were three divorces in the Dutch Royal House in total:

1849
HRH Princess Marianne of the Netherlands - HRH Prince Albrecht of Prussia

1981
HRH Princess Irene of the Netherlands - HRH Prince Carlos Hugo de Bourbon de Parme

1996
HRH Princess Christina of the Netherlands - Mr Jorge Pérez de Guillermo

[maria-olivia]

You are always coming back with your "Oranje Boven".
I mentionned the five ROMAN CATHOLIC Monarchies.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

In the five Catholic Royal Families they are divorces.
Infanta Elena and nearly all the Children of Infanta Pilar divorced.
[...]

I do not count the children of the Infanta Doña Pilar as members of the Spanish royal family but as members of the family Gómez-Acebo. Three of the five childen of the Infanta Doña Pilar are divorced indeed.

Doña Letizia Ortiz herself was divorced too.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

You are always coming back with your "Oranje Boven".
I mentionned the five ROMAN CATHOLIC Monarchies.

Excuse me, from Queen Juliana's descendants there are 21 Catholics. And there are no "Roman-Catholic monarchies". As far as I know Spain, Luxembourg, Belgium and Monaco are strictly secular states without any state church, unlike the United Kingdom or -until recently- Scandinavian monarchies.

[An Ard Ri]

Princess Märtha Louise and Ari Behn's divorce is a 1st I believe for the Norwegian RF.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by xenobia

I find it strange that they include Sweden here. Not because I think that divorces in the royal family couldn't happen here, but there hasn't been any, at least not in the current royal family. They bring up the case of princess Birgitta (the king's sister). She and her husband never divorced. They lived separate lives the last years until his death a year ago, but were never formally divorced and - as I understand it - were on friendly and speaking terms with eachother.

There have been several divorces in the Bernadotte af Wisborg family but never a divorce in the Royal family itself. There has been some flawed marriages but no divorce yet.

[An Ard Ri]

Princess Brigitta and Prince Johann of Hohenzollern did seperate but never divorced as did her sister Princess Margaretha & John Ambler.

[paola]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Also here the question pops up: what is the Royal House and what is not? Can you file the divorce of Princess Margarita de Bourbon de Parme (granddaughter of Queen Juliana of the Netherlands) from Mr Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn under "Dutch monarchy"? For me that is a divorce in the House of Bourbon-Parma.

So there were three divorces in the Dutch Royal House in total:

1849
HRH Princess Marianne of the Netherlands - HRH Prince Albrecht of Prussia

1981
HRH Princess Irene of the Netherlands - HRH Prince Carlos Hugo de Bourbon de Parme

1996
HRH Princess Christina of the Netherlands - Mr Jorge Pérez de Guillermo

Strictly speaking it were divorces in the Royal Family I would say.
In the Netherlands we have a Royal House and a Royal Family. All members of the Royal House are also member of the Royal Family, but not every member of the Royal Family is also member of the Royal House.

By marrying without consent of the Dutch Government Princess Irene and Princess Christina lost their membership of the Royal House. They are only members of the Royal Family. So there divorces cannot count as divorces in the Royal House but they are divorces in the Royal Family.

Whether Princess Marianne was a member of the Royal House I cannot say by hart so strictly speaking, I think that we only can say the three above mentioned divorces were in the Royal Family not in the Royal House.

On the website of Royal House of the Netherlands they mention who the members of the Royal Family are. They mention all four daughters of Queen Juliana and their children and grandchildren. So the divorce of Princess Margarita de Bourbon de Parme could be placed in the list.
You could say that it is a divorce in the House of Bourbon-Parma I agree, but we all have a mother and I father. And therefore belong to two families.

[CyrilVladisla]

Louis I, Margrave of Brandenburg from 1323 to 1351 and as Duke Louis V of Bavaria from 1347 until 1361, married Margaret, Countess of Tyrol in 1342. They were divorced in 1349.

[An Ard Ri]

Incorrect John Henry, Margrave of Moravia married Margaret, Countess of Tyrol and that union ended in divorce in 1349.Margaret went onto marry Louis V, Duke of Bavaria whom she outlived.

[Countessmeout]

Actually Margaret was technically a bigamist. While her and John Henry were not divorced until 1349, she married Louis in 1342. She claimed the marriage was not consummated, married as kids, and living apart. Her and Louis were excommunicated due to the marriage.

Her first marriage was only dissolved when John Henry sought to remarry. His brother Charles IV saw the marriage dissolved so John could have papal blessing to marry. At the time of the actual divorce Margaret was remarried for seven years. And she indeed outlived Louis as well as their son.

In fact their son who died two years after his father was born in 1344. His marriage of Margaret of Austria made the couples allies of the Hapdburgs. The Hspaburgs helped Margaret and Louis clear their excommunication two years before Louis died.