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05-10-2005, 01:23 PM
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what about royals from the past
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05-10-2005, 01:34 PM
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Prince Henrik of Denmark was Roman-Catholic before his marriage to our queen
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05-10-2005, 01:36 PM
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Princess Alexandra of Denmark was member of the Anglican Church before she married prince Joachim
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05-12-2005, 05:09 PM
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I've heard that Prince Henrik doesn't believe in God. Is this true?
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05-12-2005, 07:32 PM
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I know that Royal Family of Monaco is Roman Catholic, but does the future wife of HSH have to be Catholic? Do their children have to be raised Catholic?
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05-13-2005, 02:12 PM
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Is Maxima still catholic? And Sofia was Greek Orthodox.
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Maxima is still a Catholic as are princess Irene and princess Christina. The Dutch don't seem to have any problem with that. Although the Netherlands is officially Protestant, Catholicism is the largest religion and the constitution does not insist on the monarch being Protestant.
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05-13-2005, 06:15 PM
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Caroline of monaco is catholic and raises her first 3 children as catholics
She remained catholic when she married Ernst even though he is Protestant and they raise Alexandra as Protestant.
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06-28-2005, 01:48 PM
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Princes Irene de Netherland is catholic prior to her wed to a Prince from bourbon family (French royal), I think it was a quiet scandalous and she did not have permission from the parlemen when she decided to convert to Catholic from Protestant (I'm not very sure about it, I have to find my old magazine)
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06-28-2005, 02:11 PM
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The Royal family of Norway all belong to the Lutheran Evangelical variant of protestantism. It's the state religion of Norway and King Harald is the head of church. So there has been no change in churches with the marriages of the King and Queen and the Crown Prince and the Crown Princess. How strong their faith is, is quite a different question! But I think Märtha Louise and Ari re-found their faith when they married and consider themselves as personal christians today. What the views of the other members I don't know anything of. Do any of you know?
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06-28-2005, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by galuhcandrakirana
Princes Irene de Netherland is catholic prior to her wed to a Prince from bourbon family (French royal), I think it was a quiet scandalous and she did not have permission from the parlemen when she decided to convert to Catholic from Protestant (I'm not very sure about it, I have to find my old magazine)
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Yes, it was scandalous! I remember the magazines of that time. No one of her nearest relatives was there in her wedding. I don't know if there were political reasons for that or was it simply that they protested against the marriage with a Catholic. Anyway, poor Irene!
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06-28-2005, 02:55 PM
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Quote:
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Maxima is still a Catholic as are princess Irene and princess Christina. The Dutch don't seem to have any problem with that. Although the Netherlands is officially Protestant, Catholicism is the largest religion and the constitution does not insist on the monarch being Protestant.
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I think the future Queen of a country should take the main religion of her new country. It could cause problems with the children, when especially mother is of other religion. They don't know where they belong. Well,that is just my opinion.
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06-28-2005, 02:58 PM
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[QUOTE=kelly9480]Followers of the Orthodox church would be offended to be called Catholic Orthodox, and therefore, it's rude to call them that. QUOTE]
You are quite right. It must be called Greek Orthodox.
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06-28-2005, 03:00 PM
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[QUOTE=Moonlightrhapsody]To my knowledge, Greek Orthodox is an off-shoot of Catholicism which is why it is sometimes (though rarely) called Catholic Orthodox.QUOTE]
At first there was the Orthodox Church. And the Catholic Church is separeted from it. Then later the Lutheran Church was separeted from the Catholic Church.
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06-29-2005, 12:58 AM
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Sophie was methadist (church of wales) don't know if she was christened or confirmed.
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06-29-2005, 10:40 AM
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I am sure Prince Henrik was Roman Catholic, and on his marriage to Margrethe converted to Danish Lutherism.
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That's true. There was a book a while back in which Henrik discussed this very issue. Henrik's family was uneasy about the consequences of the marriage, but he pointed out that he wouldn't be excommunicated from the church if he chose to leave. He said he felt comfortable with the swtich because such a huge majority of the Danish population is in the Lutheran faith.
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06-29-2005, 11:36 AM
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That's interesting. Coincidental we spoke about that topic in school today.
I'd really like to know how important faith is for the Royals, at least for some, and what they really believe.
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06-29-2005, 01:24 PM
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I don't like the concept of changing religions just because a future spouse is of another faith. Personally, my religion is a deep part of who I am and it's a non-negotiable issue.
In the royal family setting, (e.x. Maxima), if she's not required to convert, why should she? Although she's a future queen, being of another religion wouldn't interfere with matters of state or how her husband, who has a bigger role of the two, would govern the country. As for children, it was understood that they would be Protestant. I don't think it would hurt two have two different perspectives on faith. My mother is Roman Catholic while my father is Protestant. I've had two different viewpoints about faith though I prefer my Roman Catholic roots.
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06-29-2005, 05:59 PM
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I think times have changed and there's a lot more diversity and growing tolerance for religions, at least the different branches w/in Christianity. Before it was unthinkable to have a future consort not be of the state faith. That was the reason why Alix of Hesse was initially so reluctant to marry Tsar Nicholas II, despite their intense love and passion for each other. She was a devout Lutheran and had misgravings converting to Othodoxy. Eventually she did convert and embraced Othodoxy. Interestingly, Kaiser Wilhem encouraged Alix's conversion as he thought she could be his German influence in Russia, but he banished and declared his sister, Queen Sophie of Greece, persona non grata in Germany after her conversion from Lutheran to Othodoxy.
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06-30-2005, 01:05 AM
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[QUOTE=Alexandra]
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Followers of the Orthodox church would be offended to be called Catholic Orthodox, and therefore, it's rude to call them that. QUOTE]
You are quite right. It must be called Greek Orthodox.
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However both terms "catholic" and "orthodox" are adjuctives as well as nouns. The translation of them is simply "the correct/right way". So if referring to a religion, one must use the title of the religion, but in reference to the person, one can quite literally say "Orthodox Roman Catholic", or catholic "Greek/Russian/Ukrainian Orthodox".
To draw a comparison, the word "uniform" is the same. It is the name of an object, but also a description of things which are identicle eg: HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh wears his Royal Navy Uniform. HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh and HRH Prince Andrew, Duke of York are in uniform.
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06-30-2005, 10:31 AM
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I think it is utterly morally wrong to convert from anything to anything unless you believe in it. God's law is above man's. Whenever I hear of any conversion for the sake of marriage be it royal or other it saddens me greatly, it means the person truly believes in nothing. There was royal wedding in Jordan recently and the groom converted to Islam which I was sorry to hear.
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