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Old 04-30-2020, 07:20 AM
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HM Queen Máxima of the Netherlands née Zorreguieta Cerruti - Economy (Buenos Aires), worked as banker for Deutsche Bank (New York) before marriage

HRH Princess Mabel of Orange-Nassau née Wisse Smit - Economy and Political Science (Amsterdam), was director of Open Society Institute, an international lobbying organisation (Brussels) before marriage

HRH Princess Laurentien of the Netherlands née Brinkhorst - Political Sciences (London) and Journalism (Berkeley), was in the Board of BMSG Adamson Worldwide (London) before marriage

HRH Princess Anne-Marie de Bourbon de Parme née Guáltherie van Weezel - Law (Utrecht), Journalism (Virginia), International Law (Shanghai and Sydney), worked as parliamentary editor for the Dutch Public Broadcasting Corporation (The Hague) before marriage

Tjalling ten Cate (husband of HRH Princess Margarita de Bourbon de Parme) - Law, specialisation Financial Law (Amsterdam), worked as juridical expert for the Netherlands Central Bank (Amsterdam), specialized in the financial integrity of trust offices, before marriage

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Old 04-30-2020, 08:51 AM
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All of Queen (now Princess) Beatrix's and her sister's (Princess Margriet's) sons married commoners (albeit all wealthy) who all had a college education and are confident, strong women. All of these marriages appear to be solid. I think maturity, intellect, and common sense are traits needed for a commoner to comprehend what they are realistically getting into before marrying into royalty, especially those who are now Queen Consorts and Queen Consorts in waiting. :p

And they had a good example: Prof. Mr. Pieter van Vollenhoven.

He has become 81 years old today.
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Old 04-30-2020, 08:53 AM
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Yeah, but the thread here in the forums is a bit vague. It is claimed there, that he is a distant relative of Eugenie - True, but on her mother's side!
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...18-1?r=DE&IR=T
He probably is.. upper classes are generally related...
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Old 04-30-2020, 10:17 AM
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The reason I singled out Jack Brooksbank is to show that he is not just some random bartender who married the Queen of England's granddaughter.

There is no way Prince Andrew would have allowed that.
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Old 04-30-2020, 10:25 AM
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Yeah, but the thread here in the forums is a bit vague. It is claimed there, that he is a distant relative of Eugenie - True, but on her mother's side!
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-...18-1?r=DE&IR=T
Him being related to Eugenie is not really relevant in whether he is 'almost noble'. He clearly is part of the untitled gentry (as was Sarah); his family holds a baronetcy and he is in line to that baronetcy (although the chances of him ever getting it are extremely small).
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Old 04-30-2020, 11:54 AM
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The reason I singled out Jack Brooksbank is to show that he is not just some random bartender who married the Queen of England's granddaughter.

There is no way Prince Andrew would have allowed that.
I don't see that it would be up to Andrew..
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Old 04-30-2020, 12:58 PM
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I don't see that it would be up to Andrew..
Agreed. Eugenie marrying any rich, connected man should have made Andrew happy. It takes some financial burden off him. Also, at the time of Eugenie's marriage, Andrew already knew his name was in the FBI files relative to Epstein. Eugenie was certainly luckier than her poor sister Bea.
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Old 04-30-2020, 01:33 PM
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Agreed. Eugenie marrying any rich, connected man should have made Andrew happy. It takes some financial burden off him. Also, at the time of Eugenie's marriage, Andrew already knew his name was in the FBI files relative to Epstein. Eugenie was certainly luckier than her poor sister Bea.
I meant that its not up to Andrew who the York girls marry. They are both well over 18 and he can hardly forbid the nuptials for either of them. Beside they have their own money.. He pay for security for them.. but he may go on doing that.
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Old 04-30-2020, 03:14 PM
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I don't see that it would be up to Andrew..
Yes and no. It's unlikely that he would have done so, but if he had strongly disapproved of the groom it would have made things very uncomfortable for the bride and groom. He could have withheld $$ for the wedding. He definitely wouldn't have given that super jolly wedding toast.

It's a moot point. He seems thrilled with his son-in-law.
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Old 07-14-2020, 07:15 AM
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Funny that Mr. Tindall's grandmother thought Michael might be too lowborn to marry into "royalty", even though his wife Zara never formally held royal rank. Have there been any dynasties in which even the non-royal members of the family are expected to marry a person of "appropriate" rank?
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Old 07-14-2020, 07:26 AM
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Funny that Mr. Tindall's grandmother thought Michael might be too lowborn to marry into "royalty", even though his wife Zara never formally held royal rank. Have there been any dynasties in which even the non-royal members of the family are expected to marry a person of "appropriate" rank?
Generally speaking in European monarchies in the past, all members of the family were titled and considered royal.. and there were restrictions on whom they could marry, hence the use of Morganatic marriage
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Old 07-14-2020, 07:50 AM
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Funny that Mr. Tindall's grandmother thought Michael might be too lowborn to marry into "royalty", even though his wife Zara never formally held royal rank. Have there been any dynasties in which even the non-royal members of the family are expected to marry a person of "appropriate" rank?

People in Zara's category are grandchildren in maternal line of a British sovereign. In the past, the norm for daughters of British monarchs was to marry other European royals (including possibly heirs apparent) or, at least, marry a British peer. Their children were then either royal or, at least, considered members of the aristocracy and generally either titled themselves or entitled to the use of an honorary prefix as children of peers.



Daughters of Queen Victoria


  1. Victoria, Princess Royal: married to Frederick III, German Emperor.
  2. Princess Alice: married to Louis IV, Grand Duke of Hesse.
  3. Princess Helena: married to Prince Christian of Schleswig-Holstein.
  4. Princess Louise: married to the 9th Duke of Argyll.
  5. Princess Beatrice: married Prince Henry of Battemberg


Daughters of King Edward VII


  1. Louise, Princess Royal: married to the 1st Duke of Fife.
  2. Princess Victoria: never married.
  3. Princess Maud: married Prince Carl of Denmark, later Haakon VII of Norway.


Daughters of George V


  1. Mary, Princess Royal: married to the 6th Earl of Harewood.


Daughters of George VI




1. Princess Elizabeth: married Prince Phliip of Greece and Denmark (although he was only Lieutenant Philip Mountbatten in the UK).


2. Princess Margaret: her husband was created the 1st Earl of Snowdon.







Queen Elizabeth II's only daughter, Princess Anne, if Lord Mountbatten of Burma had had his way, would have married Carl XVi Gustaf of Sweden and theoir children would have been Princes/Princesses of Sweden (apparently, neither one, especially Carl Gustaf, was interested). Even when Princess Anne married a commoner, Mark Phillips, the Queen offered to make him an earl,but he declined. Under normal circumstances, Zara would have been Lady Zara Tindall today (as a daughter of an earl married to a commoner) as opposed to Mrs Michael Tindall.
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Old 07-14-2020, 08:31 AM
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Zara isn't formally royal but she's still the Queen's granddaughter and she and her children are in the top 20 in the line of succession. She and Mike are invited to family events with the Queen and participate in public royal events like Trooping. She is for those practical and theoretical intents and purposes "royalty" having many of the perks and less of the burdens.

I suspect Mike's grandmother was thinking along the lines that many posters here and in the general public sometimes do when they get excited about the possibility of a Royal-Royal marriage or at least Royal-Aristocratic marriage, even though they themselves are neither, because "that's the way it should be" even though it hasn't been for decades and hasn't always exactly worked out when people think like that and ignore the actual people involved.

There has never been any expectation on who Zara should marry class wise and her long term boyfriend before Mike was a Jockey but no one would have batted an eyelid and many would have been pleased if she'd married the son of a peer or European aristocrat or royalty. Think how many articles/posts there were about Beatrice marrying an Italian Count and "marrying the best out of her cousins" even though he was born a British citizen and doesn't use it at all.
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Old 07-14-2020, 12:03 PM
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Queen Elizabeth II's only daughter, Princess Anne, if Lord Mountbatten of Burma had had his way, would have married Carl XVi Gustaf of Sweden and theoir children would have been Princes/Princesses of Sweden (apparently, neither one, especially Carl Gustaf, was interested).
Possibly Gustaf wasn't interested because he was already madly in love with Silvia and waiting for the old King to die so he could marry her? Also, Mountbatten seemed to always have his nose into everything regarding royal marriages of the British royal family. He wanted Charles to marry one of his nieces and that never happened. Mountbatten should have been happy to have gotten Elizabeth to fall for Philip. That was his crowning glory in the matchmaker department.
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Old 07-14-2020, 12:19 PM
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Possibly Gustaf wasn't interested because he was already madly in love with Silvia and waiting for the old King to die so he could marry her? Also, Mountbatten seemed to always have his nose into everything regarding royal marriages of the British royal family. He wanted Charles to marry one of his nieces and that never happened. Mountbatten should have been happy to have gotten Elizabeth to fall for Philip. That was his crowning glory in the matchmaker department.
How did Mountbatten "get the queen to fall for Philip"? She met him when she was 13 adn he was 18.. and seems to have been drawn to him from then onwards.
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Old 07-14-2020, 01:36 PM
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Possibly Gustaf wasn't interested because he was already madly in love with Silvia and waiting for the old King to die so he could marry her?
The alleged Mountbatten push for Princess Anne to become Queen of Sweden was supposedly made in the late sixties before Crown Prince Carl Gustav met his future wife. At the time he's said to have been involved with the French aristocrat Milly De Grasset but the relationship was vetoed by his grandfather. King Gustav Adolf, Princess Sibylla, Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip are all said to have been in favour of the match but the three parents didn't want to push the youngsters into something against their own free will. Princess Sibylla even said in an interview with a Swedish magazine that she hoped her son would marry a Swedish girl which, with one possible exception, would indicate that she was in favour of changing the rules regarding equal marriages.
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Old 07-14-2020, 10:37 PM
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Possibly Gustaf wasn't interested because he was already madly in love with Silvia and waiting for the old King to die so he could marry her? Also, Mountbatten seemed to always have his nose into everything regarding royal marriages of the British royal family. He wanted Charles to marry one of his nieces and that never happened. Mountbatten should have been happy to have gotten Elizabeth to fall for Philip. That was his crowning glory in the matchmaker department.
It was actually his granddaughter Lady Amanda Knatchbull who was the "chosen" bride. Neither one felt any sparks...
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Old 07-14-2020, 11:40 PM
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I could never see Anne having even fathomed such a suggestion. She was training as an equestrian by the late 60's. By the time Carl Gustaf met Silvia, Anne was competing at the European level. The idea of her giving that all up to become a crown princess in Sweden and fill that role makes me laugh. Anne may have had the royal breeding Silvia lacked but she would never have made a prime crown princess either. I don't know enough about CG back in those days to understand any dislike from him of such a suggestion.

Seems Louis Mountbatten was not satisfied with simply his nephew being the prince consort of the UK. Amanda for Charles and Norton was a suggestion for Anne but he failed on both.

I have read a big stumbling block for Amanda was her grandfather's assassination. After losing her grandfather, brother and paternal grandmother in the bombing, she wasn't willing to consider marriage and the danger that could come with it, to a royal.
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