LHBTQ+ Royalty

[Meraude]

Originally Posted by The Last Baron

As for the ruler of Oman, a six month marriage is unlikely to have resulted in offspring and the divorce was supposedly welcomed by both parties. This, and the fact that the Sultan never remarried, even though under Islam that would have been no problem (just as he is entitled to have up to four wives simultaneously), and if there had been the will, there would have been offspring.

While this is circumstantial and speculative at best (as is the entire thread), there is sufficient anecdotal press around the world to allow people to conclude that he may in fact be gay.

When speculating if a person is heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual, people who are sexuals always seems to forget that there is an X outside the 0 to 6 on the Kinsley scale, which stands for those for who have a low or absent interest in sexual activity, asexuals.

[NotHRH]

Don't know if these royals were mentioned already - HSH Prince Pierre of Monaco, Count of Polignac, HSH Prince Rainier's father; HRH Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark (HRH The Duke of Edinburgh's father). There was also much talk about the DoE's uncle, Lord Louis Mountbatten of Burma (ne HSH Prince Louis of Battenburg). Ironically, all 3 men were said to have ran with the same circle of friends, especially Pierre and Andrew. I have read also that the Earl Mountbatten's wife, née Edwina Ashley, was a known lesbian. Anyone know if the rumors about both the Duke and Duchess of Windsor being homosexual had any underlying truths to them?

[Duc_et_Pair]

King Willem II of the Netherlands, despite being married with Anna Paulovna Romanova, Grand Duchess of Russia and having fathered 5 children, had homosexual affairs and was also blackmailed by his lovers for this. Re-calculated to today's Euros, the King had to pay several hundred-thousands of Euros to alleged "lovers" whom simply turned out to be shrewd money-hungry "friends". As homosexuality was an absolute taboo, the King of course was in a very vulnerable position.

Last year three thick biographies were published on the Kings Willem I, Willem II and Willem III. The biographer on King Willem II, Jeroen van Zanten, was given access to the private correspondence in the Royal House Archives in The Hague and discovered the many letters in which the King was blackmailed.

When his son King Willem III assumed the throne, without any pardon he stopped all payments to the alleged lovers. He calculated that his father, the late King, of course broke a taboo with having affairs with men but that these -still living men- on their turn were vulnerable too because also they had to deal with the same taboo which could ruin their social position. The most shrewd parasite of the King was a certain Petrus Janssen, a handsome German adventurer and shady figure with links to the criminal world. King Willem II, every inch a military, seems to have had a desire for male/masculine bonds, friendships and understanding. Captured in his golden cage, with Grand-Duchesses here and Princesses there, he longed for his simple bed in a military tent somewhere on the campagne. It is not clear if the King was really homosexual or simply went furtherer than was "appropriate" for a man of his standing and position.

[Prince Alba]

I wish one would come out :)

[NotHRH]

Originally Posted by Prince Alba

I wish one would come out :)

Care to elaborate?

[Prince Alba]

Originally Posted by NotHRH

Care to elaborate?

I wish a royal would publicly reveal they are gay :)

[Beaverhausen]

Originally Posted by Victorian-Dandy

I'm glad I finally got around to reading through this thread.

As an openly gay male I would love to see some openly gay British Royalty but deep down I also realise that the chances of that ever happening are the same as me suddenly waking up in the morrow a strapping six footer.

Also I would think it would a nightmare for any openly gay British Royal simply due to how the British press conduct themselves...ie very badly. It seems that should any male royal remain single beyond the age of 30 the rumours start "is he or isn't he gay".

I can remember reading in some newspaper/gossip mag many years ago, that very same thing being said about Prince Michael of Kent with "well considering how his father was would it be surprising if he was the same" tagged onto it all because his father Prince George was promiscuous with both sexes. His son Freddie was also labelled as being gay because he worked with and posed for a gay mag, which we now know to be wrong, if anything Lord Frederick Windsor is bisexual.

So personally while I'd adore seeing more openly gay royalty, I can totally understand why we don't due to how the press and the general public may react.

Agreed. As a gay man myself, I must confess more than a passing interest in some of the then-unmarried male royals from around the UK and Europe. From Felipe of Spain to Carl Philip of Sweden to Guillaume of Luxembourg. They all proved me wrong! I do fear for the first gay royal to "come out" in the UK, where the press is relentless.

[CyrilVladisla]

King Edward II of England married Isabella of France. It was a dynastic marriage, meant to ally England with France.
But for Isabella a homosexual husband was not part of the deal. She saw Gaveston wearing rings and jewels that her father had given Edward as wedding presents.

[Denville]

All royal marriages were dynastic ones..

[Countessmeout]

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

King Edward II of England married Isabella of France. It was a dynastic marriage, meant to ally England with France.
But for Isabella a homosexual husband was not part of the deal. She saw Gaveston wearing rings and jewels that her father had given Edward as wedding presents.

Except for men like Henry viii, marriages back then were dynastic.

Isabella actually had no problem with Gaveston. On the contrary, she got along well enough with him, and worked with him. In the early days of her marriage, her and Edward got along well enough. Contrary to braveheart (Isabella was not even in England yet when Wallace died) her and Edward had four children together. It was his later affair with Hugh dispenser, which drove the final wedge. Isabella would later go to France on a so called diplomatic mission and start an affair with her eventual accomplice Rodger Mortimer. Hugh was referred to as the sodomite by Isabella, and when she seized the throne, he was drawn and quartered.

[CyrilVladisla]

At the feast that followed the King's coronation in 1308, Gaveston sat next to Edward II in the place Queen Isabella should have occupied.

[Duc_et_Pair]

Lord Ivar Mountbatten came out as gay and revealed that he was in a relationship with Mr James Coyle, an airline cabin services director whom he met whilst at a ski resort in Verbier, Switzerland.

Queen's cousin Lord Ivar Mountbatten has spoken of his decision to come out as gay after finding love

In 1994 Lord Ivar Mountbatten married to Penelope Anne Vere Thompson. They divorced in 2011. The couple got three daughters: Ella (godchild of the Earl of Wessex), Alexandra (godchild of the Countess of Wessex) and Louise (godchild of Princess Xenia von Hohenlohe-Langenburg).

Lord Ivar is quite related to diverse royal Houses:

Parents:
David Mountbatten, 3rd Marquess of Milford Haven (1919-1970)
Janet Mercedes Bryce (1937)

Paternal grandparents:
George Mountbatten, 2nd Marquess of Milford Haven (1892-1938)
Nadejda Mikhailovna Romanova, cr. Countess de Torby (1896-1963)

Paternal great-grandparents:
Prince Ludwig von Hessen-Darmstadt, cr. Prince von Battenberg, 1st Marquess of Milford Haven (1954-1921)
Princess Viktoria von Hessen-Darmstadt (1863-1950)
Mikhail Mikhailovich Romanov, Grand Duke of Russia (1862-1929)
Sophie of Nassau, cr. Countess von Merenberg, cr. Countess de Torby (1838-1927)

Paternal great-great-grandparents:
Prince Alexander von Hessen-Darmstadt (1823–1888)
Countess Julia Hauke (1825–1895)
Ludwig IV, Grand-Duke of Hessen-Darmstadt (1837-1892)
Princess Alice of Great-Britain and Ireland (1843-1878)
Mikhail Nikolaevich Romanov, Grand Duke of Russia (1832-1909)
Cäcilie Auguste, Princess and Margravine of Baden (1839-1891)
Prince Nikolaus Wilhelm of Nassau (1832-1905)
Natalja Aleksandrovna Pushkina, cr. Countess von Merenberg (1832-1905)

[Iluvbertie]

His father was Philip's best man when he married The Queen in 1947. They left from their mutual grandmother's apartment at KP.

[Dee Anna]

Quite a close connection with the RF. Apparently one of Edward's best friends, he and Sophie are both godparents and I think I saw somehwere that Lord Ivar is also a godparent to either Louise or James?

[Iluvbertie]

Ivar's great-grandfather was Prince Louis of Battenburg, who in 1917 became the 1st Viscount of Milford-Haven. This Louis had four children - Alice (Philip's mother), George - 2nd Viscount Milford-Haven and Ivar's grandfather, Louise who became Queen of Sweden and Louis - the famous Lord Louis Mountbatten (Uncle Dickie).

This is Philip's side of the family through his mother.

[Duc_et_Pair]

He is related to Battenbergs (Mountbatten), of course. To the Romanovs via his grandmother. To the Hessens and the Nassaus via his great-grandmothers. Not to mention the many sidelines (cousins, aunts, uncles).

[Skippyboo]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Ivar's great-grandfather was Prince Louis of Battenburg, who in 1917 became the 1st Viscount of Milford-Haven. This Louis had four children - Alice (Philip's mother), George - 2nd Viscount Milford-Haven and Ivar's grandfather, Louise who became Queen of Sweden and Louis - the famous Lord Louis Mountbatten (Uncle Dickie).

This is Philip's side of the family through his mother.

Isn't the Milford Haven Title a Marquess instead of a Viscount? It was part of the 1917 losing the German names new title creation.

Ivar's dad was Philip's first cousin, served with him in the Royal Navy and best man at Philip's wedding to the Queen. Ivar is a year older than Edward and is Louise's godfather.


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[Iluvbertie]

Correct it is a Marquess. Not thinking straight today. Have just received the news of a death of a dear friend - 15 months after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. She fought the good fight but past away yesterday so I am not thinking straight.

[Skippyboo]

Sorry about your friend. Lost my mom to breast cancer 10 years ago. Still hurts and miss her.


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[Denville]

Originally Posted by Iluvbertie

Correct it is a Marquess. Not thinking straight today. Have just received the news of a death of a dear friend - 15 months after being diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. She fought the good fight but past away yesterday so I am not thinking straight.

sorry to hear that.