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Old 03-28-2018, 09:21 PM
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They are relatively close. Charles and Diana spent summer vacation with the Spanish royal family when William and Harry were kids.
Yeah but thats it. None of the british younger royals are close to any of the European royal families and the Spanish one too. Weird.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:43 PM
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I dont know why the onus is put on the British royals to be close to their European counterparts.

Relationships are a two way street. We found out today there will be no Swedish royals at Harrys wedding because they have no personal relationship with Swedish royals. Whos fault is that?

The Norwegian royals are the closest relationship the British royals have with Europe but in an age of Parliamentary democracy what difference does blood relationship make.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:45 PM
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I dont know why the onus is put on the British royals to be close to their European counterparts.

Relationships are a two way street. We found out today there will be no Swedish royals at Harrys wedding because they have no personal relationship with Swedish royals. Whos fault is that?

The Norwegian royals are the closest relationship the British royals have with Europe but in an age of Parliamentary democracy what difference does blood relationship make.
First of all Harrys wedding(?) is private and I dont believe all the royals will attend. Also, whyblame the them? I believe its the BRF at fault. Or maybe its the younger royals. Why arent they close to the Spanish royals like Diana and Charles were? Maybe British monarchy think they are better than all the European monarchies.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:51 PM
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But I think it's also a question of age. Felipe of Spain is much older that Prince William and Harry, for instance.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:52 PM
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But I think it's also a question of age. Felipe of Spain is much older that Prince William and Harry, for instance.
King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia were much older than Charles and Diana.
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Old 03-28-2018, 09:57 PM
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King Felipe of Spain is William & Harry's third cousin. Crown Prince Haakon of Norway is their third cousin once removed.

How close are any of us to our third cousins? I have a large, extended family and knew my first and second cousins while I was growing up. But now that we're adults, many of us have moved away, started our own families, gotten on with our lives, and I've lost touch with many of them. I don't even know my third cousins!
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:04 PM
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I wish there were strong friendships/relationships between the BRF and other royal Houses besides King Harald and Queen Sonja, as there are between all the Scandi royals and between some Continental Houses. I think it would be fabulous.

One reason is that relationships between relatives etc have frayed over the generations. (For instance Queen Ena of Spain, daughter of Princess Beatrice of Battenburg and grandmother of King Juan Carlos was very close to the BRF. Same with the Swedish Crown Princess Margreit, grandmother of the present King, who was a British Princess.)

Another is that the BRF has concentrated on the Commonwealth rather than Europe since WW2. As well, there is an age gap between Queen Elizabeth and other sovereigns, and between Charles and other Crown Princes, some of whom have acceded to thrones. Many of the other heirs are around the same age.

The Queen and Prince Charles have attended few weddings, christenings, special birthdays etc, preferring to leave attendance at such things to the Wessexes. I guess over time that all gets noticed.
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Old 03-28-2018, 10:11 PM
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Yeah but thats it. None of the british younger royals are close to any of the European royal families and the Spanish one too. Weird.
There isn't really a closeness to any of the BRF with the Continental Royals - there hasn't been for a long time now. I believe the Queen and DoE remain on friendly terms with Margrethe II of Denmark and Harald V of Norway, but I think that's it. There's actually a fairly clear generational gap if you look at it - the Queen is a decade or more older than any other reigning monarchs, Charles is a decade or more older than many of the Continental monarchs, let alone their heirs; William and Harry are typically either a decade or more younger than the heirs, or twenty years older than them. The exception is the Swedish Royals; Carl XVI Gustaf is about the same age as Charles, Madeleine is only a couple weeks older than William, and the children of Victoria, Madeleine, and Carl Philip are all similar in age to the Cambridge children.
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There isn't really a closeness to any of the BRF with the Continental Royals - there hasn't been for a long time now. I believe the Queen and DoE remain on friendly terms with Margrethe II of Denmark and Harald V of Norway, but I think that's it. There's actually a fairly clear generational gap if you look at it - the Queen is a decade or more older than any other reigning monarchs, Charles is a decade or more older than many of the Continental monarchs, let alone their heirs; William and Harry are typically either a decade or more younger than the heirs, or twenty years older than them. The exception is the Swedish Royals; Carl XVI Gustaf is about the same age as Charles, Madeleine is only a couple weeks older than William, and the children of Victoria, Madeleine, and Carl Philip are all similar in age to the Cambridge children.
Yet Charles and Diana made a close bond with the Spanish royals.
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Old 03-28-2018, 11:45 PM
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The British royals do have relationships with the continental royals. Its just of little interest to many followers, because it isn't the 'senior royals'. It is Edward and Sophie. For years they have been the ones sent to weddings and events on the continent, that in the past would have been attended by the heir. They are the ones who have established the relationships with the continental royals. Charles and Anne did years ago, Anne is Haakon's godfather I believe.

Both Charles and his son are in awkward positions. Charles is more of age with the sovereigns or former sovereigns. He is only 10 years younger then JC. He doesn't fit in with the other heirs. How out of place he and Camilla would look and likely feel if invited when the heirs get together at times (like we see the Scandinavians and Lux royals). Other then being heir, he would have little in common with them.

William is closer in age to them, but he isn't the heir. He is not being sent out to events like his Uncle Edward. And now he has a young family and his focus is on them. He isn't an heir like those close to him in age, and those in the same position as him, are children.

It would be nice if since there are royals living in the UK, we saw some more interaction. Not blaming either side on the failure to do so.


I actually think Harry and Meghan may eventually take over where Edward and Sophie do right now. With William and Kate eventually attending major events calling for the heir (like coronations like Charles does), but weddings and such being attended by Harry and Meghan. Not being the future monarchs, and having the added duties at home, they can travel more. I do hope we see these two, or the Cambridges if I am wrong, slowly spending some more time on the continent.

At the very least, they are close in age to Daniel/Victoria and Guillaume/Stephanie.
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Yeah but thats it. None of the british younger royals are close to any of the European royal families and the Spanish one too. Weird.
I suspect the younger royals just aren't interested.
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Yet Charles and Diana made a close bond with the Spanish royals.
Did they? I don't know of any close bond?
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The British royals do have relationships with the continental royals. Its just of little interest to many followers, because it isn't the 'senior royals'. It is Edward and Sophie. For years they have been the ones sent to weddings and events on the continent, that in the past would have been attended by the heir.

Yes, and I always thought that was somewhat cold and dismissive.

It's like everyone higher up is too important, so Send the Wessexes- they have nothing better to do!

I recall reading that the BRF referred to the Scandinavians as the bicycle kings which I thought rather derisive.
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Yes, and I always thought that was somewhat cold and dismissive.

It's like everyone higher up is too important, so Send the Wessexes- they have nothing better to do!

I recall reading that the BRF referred to the Scandinavians as the bicycle kings which I thought rather derisive.
Wow that is quite awful. Do the BRF really think they are better than them? Honestly I always felt that after The Queen is gone the BRF wont be as influential as they are right now.
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Old 03-29-2018, 09:39 AM
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Its generally felt that the BRF don't think too well of the Scandinavian royals for their "informality".. They prefer to keep up tradtions and to have a show of pomp. Which is one of the reasons for having a royal family.. I don't think there's much point in acting like you are "just the same as anyone else...
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Old 03-29-2018, 10:08 AM
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This was CERTAINLY true in the 1950/60/70s [when this phrase was 'coined'] Specifically with reference to Queen Juliana [and to a lesser extent Queen Beatrix].. There was a feeling in the UK, that is was somehow inappropriate.

These days the Scandinavian Monarchies [as a whole] are rather grander than the British one- [number of Tiara events, Formal Long dresses for Ladies at Weddings, uniformed 'hofdames' etc,etc] ! I don't think that rather dated perception is 'current' tbh.
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Its generally felt that the BRF don't think too well of the Scandinavian royals for their "informality".. They prefer to keep up tradtions and to have a show of pomp. Which is one of the reasons for having a royal family.. I don't think there's much point in acting like you are "just the same as anyone else...
Look at the Nobels, the New Year Leves, the white tie weddings, the Scandinavians easily outplay the BRF in grandeur. Note that the wedding of Harry will not even see jacquet (morning suit)!

Even the State Opening of Parliament is in decline. Last year I saw Peers with beige pants or with sneakers under their wrinkled and smelly looking ceremonial robes. The disdain regarding other monarchies is misplaced.
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Old 03-29-2018, 11:07 AM
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King Juan Carlos and Queen Sofia were much older than Charles and Diana.
Yes, but it didn't look like a real friendship, honestly. I don't know how to say this, but I've always felt that Juan Carlos maybe wanted to get to know Charles and Diana (especially the latter) and that's it. I really don't see Diana and Sophia chatting about clothes...
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I think that Queen Elizabeth II and Queen Margerthe II are friends. I also think there is a friendship between the British Royal Family and the Royal Family of Greece.
And between Queen Elizabeth II and Queen Sofia of Spain.
Honestly I think there is some BRF friendship with other royal families.
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