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Old 05-14-2010, 10:13 PM
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Is there any thruth in the rumours that Willem III had a gay relationship with Hans Willem Bentinck, the first Earl of Portland.

Another thing I heard is that the States of Gueldres offerend Willem III the title Duke of Guelders. Why didn´t this work out?
If William had any sort of intimate relationship with a man (this is doubtful) it would have been with Arnold Joost van Keppel, 1st Earl of Albemarle, the King's Master of the Robes (who just happens to be a direct ancestor of Camilla Parker Bowles). This man rivaled Bentinck for William's affections, but these favors were probably not romantic. Keppel was something of a womanizer anyway. And the Earl of Portland never gave any indication to William or to the rest of the world that he was 'overly fond' of the king in that manner. Of course some authors like to argue that Jacobite claims were correct and that Keppel had been William's lover from early on in life, before the Glorious Revolution. However, this is debatable and has not been proven to be true.
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I m not sure if William ever had a mistress actually. I believe there were rumours about Elizabeth Villiers, who was aknowledged as his mistress but the nature of their relationship is unclear. Historians still disagree about William's (supposed) homosexuality though.

In any case, Mary was pregnant but miscarried. After an illness (I do not know which one) she was unable to have children anymore.
In my personal opinion, I'd say that sex did enter into the relationship, but I doubt that the affair was as notorious as most historians make it out to be. William was so discreet about this liaison that no one knows when he even saw Elizabeth. I read that he was ashamed of his errors and this could explain not only his discretion, but also the fact that until he decided to bestow upon Mistress Villiers confiscated Irish estates belonging to James II, he never so much as furnished apartments for her, which was the usual treatment. Elizabeth was a force in politics, and a great conversationalist, but since William's interest in sex was far from being strong, it's doubtful their meetings were always of a romantic nature.
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The inauguration of Willem III as Stadholder of The Netherlands in 1672
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The inauguration of Willem III as Stadholder of The Netherlands in 1672
http://www.maryevans.com/history/10539418
This coincided with the Third Anglo-Dutch War which saw Anglican England allied to Catholic France-Navarre against the Calvinist Dutch Republic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Anglo-Dutch_War
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1672 is known as the 'rampjaar' (disaster year). The French attack and the English betrayal has led the population to be desperate. Although the position of Willem III was being strengthened for some time, the disaster made the pro-Orangist population of the Hague lynch & canibalize the De Witt brothers, after which Willem III and the Orange party rose to power.

Johan De Witt was the greatest statesman in Dutch history. But he was fiercely republican. Much against his wishes he eventually became a tutor of young Willem. Mostly to make sure the Prince received a proper Dutch education. De Witt always thought Willem would be a stooge of his uncle Charles II & feared he would be a triator.

It is unknown how far the prince was involved in the murder. Though in his novel 'The Black Tulip' Alexandre Dumas places him behind a window at the inner court, looking down on the mass lynching.

Willem's mother Pss Mary raised the prince as an Englishman. She surrounded him with English people and she looked down upon anything Dutch. This was much to the dismay of her mother-in-law Pss Amalia, who tried to ensure more Dutch elements in the prince's surroundings. Amalia knew that the only credible and honourable way the prince could and should rise to power was through political changes and support in Holland and not by foreign intervention.

The relationship of the two women was notoriously bad. Mary was impossible -even Louis XIV thought his cousin Mary was excessively proud- while Amalia was somewhat in awe of her royal daughter-in-law, at one time even throwing over a glass of lemonade as she trembled for Pss Mary. She never forgot that Mary's family had never paid the promissed dowry of 2 million guilders. After her death Mary left everything she owned to her mother Q. Henrietta-Marie and nothing to her son, to much consternation in The Hague.

Although Willem III resented Johan De Witt and saw him as an enemy, he later confessed that he learned a lot from him.
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The Dutch support for Oliver Cromwell is believed to have caused the Princess Royal's apparent disdain for the Dutch

The authorities also prohibited Mary from receiving any of her English family members during the Commonwealth period and further caused her resentment.
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I think her disdain for everything Dutch predated the events of Cromwell. It was not only reserved for her opponents - the anti-Orangist regents of Holland- but also for relatives such as the Frisian stadholder Willem-Frederik of Nassau-Dietz and her mother-in-law.

Mary saw a fair deal of her family. She even lived with her mother in France for a year, leaving her son in The Hague. At the same time the republic could not be supporting Charles as it would antagonise the English. Charles lived in The Hague for some time after he left England.

Charles II -lived in Breda when he received the news of his accession. Financed by the Dutch state. Though in the years before he travelled around Europe, being reliant on grants from whatever government hosted him. He was forced to leave France when Louis XIV signed a treaty with Cromwell.

The Dutch support for Cromwell was never great. Cromwell himself was seen as an extremist and the first Anglo-Dutch sea war was initiated by him. A Union of republics as was proposed by Cromwell was never seriously considered in The Hague.

Part of the treaty of Westminster was the act of exclusion. This was pushed for by Cromwell, and it stated that Willem could never be stadholder of Holland. In Holland itself it was controversial, though it suited De Witt. He still remembered Willem II, who had forced a -reckless- pro-Orangist push through much of Holland, wielding out much anti-Orangist regents. This included Jacob De Witt -father of Johan- who was emprisoned in Castle Loevenstein for no other reason than that he was the only regent from his city available in The Hague to arrest.

Willem II's death shortly afterwards was a disaster for the Orange-party and a miracle for the anti-Orangist regents, who were able to rise to power again. Johan De Witt thought that the natural inclination for the House of Orange would always be to seek more power. Power that would be acquired at the expence of 'Hollander Freedoms'

In 1670 -before he was stadholder- Willem III visited his English uncle, mostly to settle his finances and to settle the outstanding and large Stuart debts. De Witt had feared that Willem would be sensitive to proposals of betrayal. And Charles did propose to make him stadholder of a severely amputated Dutch state -other parts were to go to England and to France. De Witt's Dutch education had bore some fruit - Willem refused the proposal and on a personal level could not like his uncle, the two men were very different in character.
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Its also interesting that Amalia van Solms first arrived as a lady-in-waiting to Elizabeth Stuart the Winter Queen.

Elizabeth lived in exile in the Netherlands until 1661 and the court of Elizabeth and her niece Princess Mary was often refereed to as a "nest of vipers".
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