Stadholder Willem I 'The Taciturn' (1533-1584), Wives and Children

[Marengo]

Some paintings and a screan capture of Willems murder:



The staircase:
The Prinsenhof where he was murdered is now a museum, have a look at their website which can be found here.

[Marengo]

Two modern cartoons about Willem of Orange.

1 Willem, Fokke, Sukke and the historical canon

2 Willem and Pim Fortuyn; election of the greatest Dutchman

[Helena]

I wish they hadn´t done this rediculous election of the greatest Dutch person so soon after the Pim Fortuyn murder. All his voters were casting a vote for him while normally Willem van oranje would have won.

[lucien]

The Prinsenhof,Delft.
Prinsenhof Delft

Courtesy / kind permission of Caroline Raedt.

[lucien]

Statue of Prince Willem de Zwijger and his first spouse Anna van Buren and their two children,Philips-Willem and Maria,in front of the St.Lambertus church in Buren.

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-co...en/family1.JPG

http://www.royaltyguide.nl/images-co...en/family2.JPG

Courtesy Mardam.

[Marengo]

I always wonder if we should call her Anna van Egmond or Anna van Buren ...?

And another thing, how was she related to Count Lamoraal van Egmont (who was brought to death on the market square of Brussels together with Count Horne)? It wasn't her father...

And one other thing, do you have any idea how inheretence was arranged in those days in The netherlands? Anna was able to bring a significant number of titles to her husband (countess of Buren, Lingen and Leerdam; lady of IJsselstein, Borssele, Grave, Kranendonk, Jaarsveld, Kortgene, Sint-Maartensdijk and Odijk) but how was that possible when another family member (Lamoraal for example) was still alive at the time of Anna's death.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Marengo

I always wonder if we should call her Anna van Egmond or Anna van Buren ...?

And another thing, how was she related to Count Lamoraal van Egmont (who was brought to death on the market square of Brussels together with Count Horne)? It wasn't her father...

And one other thing, do you have any idea how inheretence was arranged in those days in The netherlands? Anna was able to bring a significant number of titles to her husband (countess of Buren, Lingen and Leerdam; lady of IJsselstein, Borssele, Grave, Kranendonk, Jaarsveld, Kortgene, Sint-Maartensdijk and Odijk) but how was that possible when another family member (Lamoraal for example) was still alive at the time of Anna's death.

I always refer to her as Anna,Countess of Buren,but that's because I was tought so almost 50 years ago,even tho her father was Maximiliaan van Egmond,who was the wealthiest noble in the land actually.

No it wasn't her father,but I believe they were related paternally cousinwise.

Inheritence was easy at that time,all the lady had was the husbands as soon as she said the centuries old infamous word;"Yes",
and gone was what used to be hers,it was all his henceforth.Lamoraal wasn't of the same line,Anna was her fathers sole heiress.

[Marengo]

Another image, showing the murder of Willem I:

[Marengo]

The company 'DelfTech' wills tart today with a new research after the death prince Willem I. The company hope that it will find new information about the murder that happened on 10 July 1584 (!).

The company will use a 3D laser technology. The police of Zeeland and the one of Midden & West Brabant will assist the company.

Article in Dutch here.

And another one here, with a picture of the men at work.

[lucien]

The leader of the research team's name?
Willem van Spanje!!

No kidding,honestly.

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by Marengo

The company 'DelfTech' wills tart today with a new research after the death prince Willem I. The company hope that it will find new information about the murder that happened on 10 July 1584 (!).

The company will use a 3D laser technology. The police of Zeeland and the one of Midden & West Brabant will assist the company.

Article in Dutch here.

And another one here, with a picture of the men at work.

According to royalblog the DelfForensics team did some tests with shooting, yesterday. They want to see if the bullit holes in the prinsenhof are real or not.

[Egmond Codfried]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Anna of Saxony (December 23, 1544-December 18, 1577)
Anna was reputedly unattractive and lame, but her wealth drew many suitors. She accepted the suit of William I of Orange, and they were married on August 25, 1561. Anna was unstable, swinging wildly between melancholia, violence, and suicidal despair. William soon tired of her unpredictable personality, and she became unpopular both with his family and the citizenry. Anna and William produced five children.

Poor Anna, so in love with her handsome prince, now even maligned in death. As her husband had lovers and bastards, so did she. But there is this written story about Jan Peter Rubens, the painter, being infact her child. Do you kow this story? And do you have an idea how the poor woman actually died, was she walled in by her family and left to die?

Originally Posted by lucien

I always refer to her as Anna,Countess of Buren,but that's because I was tought so almost 50 years ago,even tho her father was Maximiliaan van Egmond,who was the wealthiest noble in the land actually.

No it wasn't her father,but I believe they were related paternally cousinwise.

Inheritence was easy at that time,all the lady had was the husbands as soon as she said the centuries old infamous word;"Yes",
and gone was what used to be hers,it was all his henceforth.Lamoraal wasn't of the same line,Anna was her fathers sole heiress.

Anyone calling my name: Egmond? I'm named after my father and do not know why his parents chose this name.

Anna van Buren was the richest heiress around, so naturally the prince fell in love. But they could make prenuptials if they wished.

Queen Beatrix uses her title Countess of Buren when she travels incognito, as did William-Alexander when he participated in that Elf Steden Tocht as Alex van Buren. It must be dear to their heart.

[Egmond Codfried]

Originally Posted by Helena

I wish they hadn´t done this rediculous election of the greatest Dutch person so soon after the Pim Fortuyn murder. All his voters were casting a vote for him while normally Willem van oranje would have won.

How do you know? People are more informed about Pim anyway. And if you must know, I cried three days over his murder, while I had some disagreements about his policies.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Helena

I wish they hadn´t done this rediculous election of the greatest Dutch person so soon after the Pim Fortuyn murder. All his voters were casting a vote for him while normally Willem van oranje would have won.

I too am sure Willem would have won if it wasn't for this populist queen and the subsequent whimsical and false emotions triggered by a media carnaval of sorts that apparently had to "overwhelm" everyone.I wasn't,nor ever will be in regards to that man.Disgusting.And all that due to disgustingly cheap mass hysteria of sorts,unknown before here and I do hope unknown hereafter.

This thread is about a man who really made a difference for this our country,not to be polluted by Fortuyn and his LPF crapule.
They're forgotten now.Willem isn't,never will.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Egmond Codfried

Poor Anna, so in love with her handsome prince, now even maligned in death. As her husband had lovers and bastards, so did she. But there is this written story about Jan Peter Rubens, the painter, being infact her child. Do you kow this story? And do you have an idea how the poor woman actually died, was she walled in by her family and left to die?



Anyone calling my name: Egmond? I'm named after my father and do not know why his parents chose this name.

Anna van Buren was the richest heiress around, so naturally the prince fell in love. But they could make prenuptials if they wished.

Queen Beatrix uses her title Countess of Buren when she travels incognito, as did William-Alexander when he participated in that Elf Steden Tocht as Alex van Buren. It must be dear to their heart.

They didn't do pre-nuptials those days,what was the wives,or heiress,first,was entirely the man's after the wedding.That's it.

People were not given anything official next to a name till the days of the Emperor Napoleon and his Civil Code,anyone was
free to pick and choose freely,often they'd choose the name of the place they lived.

There are many people with surnames being the same of towns,cities even,but are of no importance whatsever in relation to
any noteworthy aristocratic claim of sorts,or any historical connotations for that matter.If one can't produce letters
patent of some substance,then one's just a guy next door,be that to the left or to the right,n'importe pas.

[Tezz_mission]

Philip William, the eldest son actually remained a catholic all of his life, which is one of the reasons why the States General were so reluctant to allow him to return to the North. In his testament (which was recently recovered again) he stipulated a Requiem Mass must be celebrated for his soul every year at the St Sulpice church in Diest, where he was buried.

[lucien]

At the Prinsenhof in Delft,former residence of Prince Willem I and venue for his murder there in 1584,an exhibition opened on all Heads of the Orange Nassau Family,i.e. the 7 Prince-Stadtholders and the.-almost - , 7 Monarchs since 1568.

http://www.anpfoto.nl/search.pp?eventid=1488155

courtesy ANP

http://www.prinsenhof-delft.nl/en

[lucien]

Antique print from my collection.

[rominet09]

Beautiful print !!! I visited the place he was killed and very impressed I was !

[rominet09]

This thread is hugely interesting !