Queen Juliana (1909-2004) and Prince Bernhard (1911-2004)

[Marengo]

In the biography of queen Beatrix by Jutta Chorus it was said that one of the main issues were the experiences of prince Claus during the war. His public role did not make it easier of course.

[Duc_et_Pair]

The characters and personalities of Prince Bernhard and Prince Claus cold not clash more than they did indeed. They both were landjunkers and had a traditional tüchtige upbringing with strict norms. But there the similarities end.

Prince Bernhard went to a tough boarding school in Züllichau, East Prussia (now Sulechów in Poland) where boys were drilled with military precision. The questionable social norms on that school (it was in a time that aristocrats still could get away with a lot) did not help.

Prince Claus went to the Baltenschule in Misdroy, East Prussia, with mainly aristocrats. The school advertised in the Deutschen Adelsblatt for aristocrat pupils. The school of Prince Claus was equally conservative but not militaristic: the focus was on becoming well educated Christian gentlemen. Sports played a major role at this boarding school.

The path of these two landjunkers indeed crossed but I think there was no love lost between the two princes and they probably both looked with dédain upon each other.

[eya]

Princess Irene deeply hurt by new biography on Queen Juliana – Royal Central

[Marengo]

Members of the municipial counsil of the town of Waddinxveen want to withdraw the honorary citizenship of prince Bernhard. The prince received this in 1961. The reason given was the book of YYolande Withuis which showed the prince treated his wife badly etc.

Other members of the counsil reacted irritated. The mayyor said that he had no plans in that direction.

Prins Bernhard ereburgerschap van Waddinxveen afnemen zorgt voor irritatie - Omroep West

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Members of the municipial counsil of the town of Waddinxveen want to withdraw the honorary citizenship of prince Bernhard. The prince received this in 1961. The reason given was the book of YYolande Withuis which showed the prince treated his wife badly etc.

Other members of the counsil reacted irritated. The mayyor said that he had no plans in that direction.

Prins Bernhard ereburgerschap van Waddinxveen afnemen zorgt voor irritatie - Omroep West

Good heavens, while his daughters are alive and one of them publicly stated not to recognize how Withuis described her parents, councillors are already waving an axe to slash a honorary citizenship of a man who passed away 12 years ago...

[Marengo]

According to the Parool, the city of Amsterdam has received multiple requests to change the name of the Prins Bernhardplein (Prince Bernhard square) in Amsterdam-Oost since the prince died. But all of them were denied so far.

[Blog Real]

Queen Julianas 25th wedding anniversary
https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/ne...ure-id78965040

[Duc_et_Pair]

This weekend saw the funeral of Ferdinand, Fürst von Bismarck. At the funeral there was another link between the King and the Fürst von Bismarck, his late godfather: the mausoleum is located at Friedrichsruh, the Von Bismarck family estate, once established by one of his ancestors.

Friedrichsruh was one of the Von Lippe-Biesterfeld estates. This one was build by Friedrich zur Lippe-Biesterfeld (hence the name), a direct descendant of the King's grandfather:

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Friedrich Karl August, Graf und Edler Herr zur Lippe-Biesterfeld, Sternberg und Schwalenberg (1706-1781) x Barbara Eleonore, Gräfin zu Solms-Baruth (1707-1744)

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Karl Ernst Casimir, Graf und Edler Herr zur Lippe-Biesterfeld, Sternberg und Schwalenberg (1735-1810) x Ferdinande Henriette Dorothea, Gräfin zu Bentheim-Tecklenburg (1737-1779)

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Wilhelm Ernst, Graf und Edler Herr zur Lippe-Biesterfeld, Sternberg und Schwalenberg (1777-1840) x Dorothea Christiana Modeste von Unruh (1781-1854)

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Julius Peter Hermann August, Graf und Edler Herr zur Lippe-Biesterfeld, Sternberg und Schwalenberg (1812-1884) x Adelheid Clotilde Auguste, Gräfin zu Castell-Castell (1818–1900)

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Ernst Kasimir Friedrich Karl Eberhard, Graf und Edler Herr zur Lippe-Biesterfeld, Sternberg und Schwalenberg, Regent von Lippe (1842-1904) x Karoline Friederike Cäcilie Klothilde, Gräfin von Wartensleben (1844-1905)

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Bernhard Kasimir Friedrich Gustav Heinrich Wilhelm Eduard, Prinz zur Lippe-Biesterfeld (1872-1934) x Armgard Kunigunde Alharda Agnes Oda von Sierstorpff-Cramm (1883 –1971)

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Bernhard Friedrich Eberhard Leopold Julius Kurt Carl Gottfried Peter, Prinz zur Lippe-Biesterfeld (1911-2004) x Juliana Louise Emma Marie Wilhelmina, prinses der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau, hertogin van Mecklenburg (1909-2004)

[Marengo]

Last month the NPO aired a documentary about Prince Bernhard, made by its history programme 'Andere Tijden' (Other Times).

It may be interesting for some Dutch members:
https://www.npostart.nl/andere-tijde.../VPWON_1301718

Although little is new it was interesting to watch and well made. His accent in Dutch seemed to have been better in 1936 than it was later in his life. There seem to be some new clips included in the documentary, from the private collection of the prince. Among them film footage from a private visit to relatives in Germany (Mecklenburg?) before the war. The prince and princess were transported in a limousine with the swastika flag. The same flag was also on the Piet Heijn while the couple sailed through German waters.

Between all the scandals it is sometimes easy to forget what great charm Prince Bernhard possessed. As she did before I think Annejet van der Zijl summarized the prince in a way that perhaps portrays him best: 'The Netherlands wanted a fairy tale prince so the prince started to tell fairy tales'.

[An Ard Ri]

That's certainly a unique summarization of the late Prince Bernhard

[Prinsara]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYl9PzS9glE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=altz9fCwQKs

This is another one of those 'I will never get to see this with actual subtitles, if at all'. It looks pretty good, though. I'd love to see the Juliana series, too!

[Marengo]

I fear these series tend to be awful. The public broadcaster is devided in 15+ stations, which means that none of them has money to invest in a developing a decent television series. Consequently the series tend to be bad: bad plot, badly written, bad decor, incredible dialogues, etc. And sadly almost all tv-series about thee royal family are written by Tomas Ross. A staunch republican who made a carreer in writing and filming every nasty & far-fetched conspiracy theory about the RF.

[Prinsara]

Be fair. You really cannot get much worse in terms of 'bad plot' than "ex-Nazi, faith healer scandal, million dollar bribe, never-ending affairs and predatory behavior and illegitimate children", can you?

Aside from actual events making for a bad plot, I still think that pre-war Bernhard scene is excellent.

Nobody from the Netherlands who's seen it can review?

[Somebody]

I did (many years ago); and I stand by Marengo's review. While there might be a several good scenes. In general, the various short royal-tv drama series are pretty uninspiring; this one is no exception imho.

There is indeed enough drama in his life, so that makes it really hard to choose - and would give little reason to completely fictionalize; nonetheless, they prefer to take a lot of liberty and mainly play on his playboy/shady-dealing prince image which while surely very much part of his character doesn't really try to tell something original or paint things in a different (but truthful) light.

Nonetheless, there are others who kind of liked it, I guess, since it got 7.7 on IMDB.

[CyrilVladisla]

Queen Juliana entertained the Dutch Royal Household at Christmas in 1954.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxV1-qPDSsQ

[Somebody]

Someone bought a scrapbook with lots of unseen pictures of prince Bernhard, royal invitations and menus. It was apparently made by one of his close aids. He disclosed it today in Twitter (and the news was picked up by the Dutch media).

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

Queen Juliana entertained the Dutch Royal Household at Christmas in 1954.

The queen read from the gospel so I wouldn't call that entertaining, it was a Nativity 7 Carol Service ,I wonder what church was used?

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

The queen read from the gospel so I wouldn't call that entertaining, it was a Nativity 7 Carol Service ,I wonder what church was used?

The voiceover mentions at the beginning (just before P.Bernhard is speaking) that it is at Soestdijk Palace.

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Lee-Z

The voiceover mentions at the beginning (just before P.Bernhard is speaking) that it is at Soestdijk Palace.

And I just noticed that Princess Beatrix also did a reading at the Christmas Service.

[Marengo]

It seems to be Soestdijk palace indeed - which does not have a chapel or a church. The members of the RF would poor the cups of hot chocolate milk for the staff themselves, something which was abolished by Queen Beatrix. The video is recorded at the peak of the Hofmans crisis. Bernhard and Juliana were barely talking at this time.

Someone bought a scrapbook with lots of unseen pictures of prince Bernhard, royal invitations and menus. It was apparently made by one of his close aids. He disclosed it today in Twitter (and the news was picked up by the Dutch media).

I noticed it on twitter yesterday and today. It contains the programs and menus of -among others- the state visit of QEII to the Netherlands in the 1950s.