Queen Emma (1859-1934)

[lucien]

Friday march 20th.

Not only will it be the 5th anniversary of the death of her beloved grandchild Queen Juliana,
it's also the 75th anniversary of the death of Queen-Mother Emma:

ANP Beeldbank

courtesy royalimages.

http://gpdhome.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8...972caef28a4-pi

[Marengo]

The Esscher Museum in the Hague (former Palace Lange Voorhout) will have an exposition with pictures of Queen Emma (starting on May 28th), with the title: 'savior of Orange'. The palace asks the public to send in their pictures:

Museum zoekt foto's Emma - Binnenland | Het laatste nieuws uit Nederland leest u op Telegraaf.nl [binnenland]

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Nice to see that there is some attention for Emma. I wish that they also would have made a biography about her. At the moment 3 historians are working on the buiographies of kings Willem I, II and III, which will be published in 2013, when the monarchy celebrates their 200th anniversary.

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(copied from the thread about dutch palaces):

An interesting article from the 'Reformatorisch Dagblad' (in Dutch):

Emma

It is about the estate Grunsfoort in Renkum. The estate was bought by king Willem III in 1881 for his 2nd wife Emma, because the Queen missed the landscape of Arolsen. Renkum. They changed the name to Oranje-Nassau Oord and the mansion was enlarged. In June 1883 the king and queen were able to go to the place for their first stay there.

The king was busy with hunting and making furniture (!). In 1890 the king died, and his widow became regent. Emma had little time and didn't visit the place very often anymore. In 1898, she received a national present of 300.000 guilders to thank her for her regency. She used this money to change the mansion and the estate to a sanatorium for TBC patients (for which she also used 200.000 guilders of her own money). In 1901 this was opened by Queen Wilhelmina, int he presence of Queen-widow Emma and prince Hendrik.

Aerial view: http://www.bergraceofftheroad.nl/ima...to-ONO_800.jpg
front: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../Onopaleis.jpg

[SLV]

Thanks for posting Marengo.
It looks very intersting.

[lucien]

[CyrilVladisla]

Did Queen Emma and Queen Wilhelmina (even as Princess Wilhelmina) travel together to England to visit Emma's sister, the Duchess of Albany?

[Marengo]

They travelled to the UK together in 1895.

Emma and Wilhelmina arrived in London on April 27th and were welcomed at the station by the prince of Wales and the Duchess of Albany. In the afternoon they visited the duchess again at Claremont House.

On May 3rd they went to Windsor castle to meet Victoria. They had lunch with the Queen and the Duchess of Albany. Victoria reported in her diary: 'The young Queen ... still has her hair hanging loose. She is slender and graceful, and makes an impression as a very intelligent and very cute girl. She speaks good English and knows how to behave with charming manners'.

Between May 4th or 6th they visited the duke and duchess of Albany again.

Source: C. Fasseur, 'Wilhelmina. De jonge koningin'.

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I believe this was the only time they travelled to the UK together. Queen Wilhelmina travelled to the UK in the 20-ties. Mainly for holidays in Scotland. She always visited her former governess Miss Saxon Winter. But these visits were after the death of Helen in 1922.

The Duchess of Albany did stay in The Netherlands quite regularly btw, just a quick search in the newspapers shows that she was in The Netherlands in February 1893, January and September 1909, March 1911 and she stayed for 8 days at Soestdijk Palace in September, which was repeated in October 1913.
In May 1910 and in May 1914 Queen Emma stayed with her sister at Claremont House in Esher.

They also met quite often at family events in Germany.

[CyrilVladisla]

The flag of Queen Mother Emma was an orange field swallowtailed with a blue cross, and in all quarters a hunting horn.
In the center of the cross was the Dutch arms.

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by CyrilVladisla

The flag of Queen Mother Emma was an orange field swallowtailed with a blue cross, and in all quarters a hunting horn.
In the center of the cross was the Dutch arms.

pic of ik in the wiki article Emma van Waldeck-Pyrmont - Wikipedia

[An Ard Ri]

Funeral of Queen Emma on March 27th,1934

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntYenUR-hXQ

[Ilse]

https://factuallyroyal.com/the-death...of-luxembourg/

[Iain]

While acting as regent for her daughter was Queen Emma regarded as the Head of State, for instance, did she open Parliament and sign their acts?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Yes, she did everything a Queen would do. Every Act and Royal Decree was worded as:

"In the name of Her Majesty WILHELMINA, by the grace of God Queen of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Etc. Etc. Etc.;
We EMMA, Queen-Dowager, Regentess of the Kingdom,
To all who shall read this or hear this read:
Salute!
As We have taken into consideration that [...];
So is it that We, having heard the Council of State and in mutual deliberations with the States-General;
Have herewith approved and understand as We do approve and understand:

Article 1

[...]

And herewith We command You in the Lord's holy protection.

EMMA"

In 1879, 1880, 1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886 and 1887 Queen Emma addressed the States-General. In her last year as Regentess, the 17 years old Queen Wilhelmina joined as an escort to her mother, the Regentess.

[Iain]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

Yes, she did everything a Queen would do. Every Act and Royal Decree was worded as:

"In the name of Her Majesty WILHELMINA, by the grace of God Queen of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau, Etc. Etc. Etc.;
We EMMA, Queen-Dowager, Regentess of the Kingdom,
To all who shall read this or hear this read:
Salute!
As We have taken into consideration that [...];
So is it that We, having heard the Council of State and in mutual deliberations with the States-General;
Have herewith approved and understand as We do approve and understand:

Article 1

[...]

And herewith We command You in the Lord's holy protection.

EMMA"

In 1879, 1880, 1881, 1882, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886 and 1887 Queen Emma addressed the States-General. In her last year as Regentess, the 17 years old Queen Wilhelmina joined as an escort to her mother, the Regentess.

Thank you very much for answering my question. It's interesting to see that Wilhelmina is referred to as Queen because I had been under the impression that she didn't take the title until her 18th birthday. I don't know where I got that from but from what you wrote I take it she was Queen from day her father died.

[Mbruno]

Originally Posted by Iain

Thank you very much for answering my question. It's interesting to see that Wilhelmina is referred to as Queen because I had been under the impression that she didn't take the title until her 18th birthday. I don't know where I got that from but from what you wrote I take it she was Queen from day her father died.

The old movie in the link above about Wilhelmina's inauguration as queen refers to her as "Her Royal Highness Princess Wilhelmina" before the inauguration and as "Her Majesty" only after it. Technically, however, I would imagine she was already queen from the moment of the demise of her predecessor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IslPj5k2NeE

[Duc_et_Pair]

According parlement.com, a reliable source, the titulature of Wilhelmina Helena Pauline Maria was:

31 August 1880
H.R.H. Princess Pauline of Orange-Nassau

21 June 1884 *
H.R.H. Princess Wilhelmina of Orange-Nassau

23 November 1890
H.M. Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau

4 September 1948
H.R.H. Princess Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau

28 November 1962
H.M. Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau **

* on 21 June 1884 her halfbrother Prince Alexander, the Prince of Orange died. With this the almost 4 years old Princess Pauline became the Heiress-Presumptive and her name was changed into Wilhelmina, thaught to be more regal and befitting her position.

** after her death on November 28th 1962 it was decided that the deceased is referred as "Queen Wilhelmina" indeed. (The same happened with Princess Juliana, who is referred as "Queen Juliana" indeed, after her death in 2004).

[CyrilVladisla]

The 75th birthday of Queen Mother Emma with Queen Wilhelmina and Princess Juliana
http://www.gettyimages.com/license/82093726

[Tatiana Maria]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

According parlement.com, a reliable source, the titulature of Wilhelmina Helena Pauline Maria was:

31 August 1880
H.R.H. Princess Pauline of Orange-Nassau

21 June 1884 *
H.R.H. Princess Wilhelmina of Orange-Nassau

23 November 1890
H.M. Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau

4 September 1948
H.R.H. Princess Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau

28 November 1962
H.M. Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau **

* on 21 June 1884 her halfbrother Prince Alexander, the Prince of Orange died. With this the almost 4 years old Princess Pauline became the Heiress-Presumptive and her name was changed into Wilhelmina, thaught to be more regal and befitting her position.

** after her death on November 28th 1962 it was decided that the deceased is referred as "Queen Wilhelmina" indeed. (The same happened with Princess Juliana, who is referred as "Queen Juliana" indeed, after her death in 2004).

Is it still a reliable source in regard to titulature? Wasn't Wilhelmina a Princess of the Netherlands as well as a Princess of Orange-Nassau until she ascended the throne?

[Marengo]

It is normally a reliable website - initiated by the Montesquieu institute - but they made an error indeed. Wilhelmina was a Princess of The Netherlands when she was born.

https://www.parlement.com/id/vg09llx...lmina_koningin

[Duc_et_Pair]

When Queen Wilhelmina abdicated the kingship, she reverted to the style she had before the kingship: prinses Wilhelmina der Nederlanden. This example was followed by her daughter and granddaughter.

1880-1990
H.K.H. prinses Wilhelmina der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau

1890-1948
H.M. de Koningin

1948-1962
H.K.H. prinses Wilhelmina der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau


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1909-1948
H.K.H. prinses Juliana der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau, hertogin van Mecklenburg


1948-1980
H.M. de Koningin


1980-2004
H.K.H. prinses Juliana der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau, hertogin van Mecklenburg


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1938-1980
H.K.H. prinses Beatrix der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau, prinses van Lippe-Biesterfeld

1980-2013
H.M. de Koningin

2013-....
H.K.H. prinses Beatrix der Nederlanden, prinses van Oranje-Nassau, prinses van Lippe-Biesterfeld

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

According parlement.com, a reliable source, the titulature of Wilhelmina Helena Pauline Maria was:

31 August 1880
H.R.H. Princess Pauline of Orange-Nassau

21 June 1884 *
H.R.H. Princess Wilhelmina of Orange-Nassau

23 November 1890
H.M. Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau

4 September 1948
H.R.H. Princess Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau

28 November 1962
H.M. Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nassau **

* on 21 June 1884 her halfbrother Prince Alexander, the Prince of Orange died. With this the almost 4 years old Princess Pauline became the Heiress-Presumptive and her name was changed into Wilhelmina, thaught to be more regal and befitting her position.

** after her death on November 28th 1962 it was decided that the deceased is referred as "Queen Wilhelmina" indeed. (The same happened with Princess Juliana, who is referred as "Queen Juliana" indeed, after her death in 2004).

Why was she from 1880-1890 only Princess of Orange-Nassau? Not also Princess of the Netherlands?