Princess Marianne (1810-1883)

[sara1981]

thanks for pictures and story but she very beautiful as Princess and more wealthy as woman

[Zonk]

Marengo...this is great!

Until I read your piece, I had never heard of Princess Marianne. When I hear and learn more about the women who lived during this time, I am always impressed with the lives that they lead. Just goes to show you that no matter what time period you live in...being a Princess is not a bed of roses!

[magnik]

Marengo as always great!

Descendants one more:
http://geneweb.inria.fr/roglo?lang=e...=on&bd=0&color=
http://www.thepeerage.com/p10233.htm#i102324

Probably posted before http://worldroots.com/brigitte/royal/royal16b.htm

[nicolehraphael]

Hello everyone!
I hope that one of you can perhaps lead me in the right direction in my research.

I am researching Princess Marianne of Prussia. I have some information that in 1873 The Princess of Prussia and her entourage were travelling through The Holy Land and stopped in Sefad (Safed/Tzfat) on her way to Jerusalem. She was dangerously ill and her doctors could not make a diagnosis. A local physician, Dr. Pesach Friedman was consulted, made a diagnosis (malaria) and cured her. The Princess entreated Dr. Friendman to accompany her on the on the rest of her journey to Jerusalem. Dr. Friedman agreed on two conditions: "As a Jew, I must have a miyon (10 men) for daily prayer and kosher food to eat." His conditions were met and Reb Pesach journed with the The Princess and her entourage.

Dr. Pesach Friendman returned To Tzfat and to his family. Some months later, he received a telegram from the Kaiser - Reb Pesach was appointed Prussian Vice Counsel for Tzfat, allowing him to give Prussian passports to Jewish men in Tsfat, freeing them from having to do miltary duty for The Turkish Empire which then controlled the Holy Land.

I received this information from personal family trees and reseach. Dr. Friedman is one of my ancestors.

Can anyone guide me to more detailed information about the Princess Marianne and her travels to The Holy Land?
I would greatly appreciate any help that anyone can offer.

Thank you!

Nicole Raphael

[lucien]

First of all,HRH Princess Marianne of The Netherlands divorced that german infidel,so,she is not to be adressed as Princess of Prussia.

[Marengo]

I only found information about an earlier travel of Princess Marianne (from 1849 to 1851) through the mediterenian. She visited Rome, Sicily, Alexandria and also Jerusalem. During this trip her illegitemate son Johannes was probably born (in Sicily) and she bought a slave on a market too.

I am not sure if Princess Marianne went to Jeruzalem in 1873, she was already fairly old and in April of that year her life-partner Johannes van Rossum died in Voorburg.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Marengo

I only found information about an earlier travel of Princess Marianne (from 1849 to 1851) through the mediterenian. She visited Rome, Sicily, Alexandria and also Jerusalem. During this trip her illegitemate son Johannes was probably born (in Sicily) and she bought a slave on a market too.

I am not sure if Princess Marianne went to Jeruzalem in 1873, she was already fairly old and in April of that year her life-partner Johannes van Rossum died in Voorburg.

That's correct,she gave birth to her son at Cefalu,Sicily.And as far as I know/recall,she didn't go to Jerusalem in the time period,1873.

[nicolehraphael]

Thanks so much!
Originally, I was researching Empress Frederick (I thought that she was "The Princess of Prussia" mentioned in the Chasidc story based on my ancestor, Dr. Pesach Friedman) - but when I started reseaching her a bit, I could not find any mention of her travels to "The Holy Land". When I saw somewhere that Marianne made the journey, I was sure it was her (I would not be surprised if the dates in the Chasidic tale are off. In any case, do any of you know of any other PRINCESS OF PRUSSIA who might have brought an entourage to "The Holy Land" in 1873. Any help or guidance would be so appreciated. I am trying to begin reseach on the story in order to adapt the piece into a play.
Thanks again!!

[lucien]

Originally Posted by nicolehraphael

Thanks so much!
Originally, I was researching Empress Frederick (I thought that she was "The Princess of Prussia" mentioned in the Chasidc story based on my ancestor, Dr. Pesach Friedman) - but when I started reseaching her a bit, I could not find any mention of her travels to "The Holy Land". When I saw somewhere that Marianne made the journey, I was sure it was her (I would not be surprised if the dates in the Chasidic tale are off. In any case, do any of you know of any other PRINCESS OF PRUSSIA who might have brought an entourage to "The Holy Land" in 1873. Any help or guidance would be so appreciated. I am trying to begin reseach on the story in order to adapt the piece into a play.
Thanks again!!

I've been looking around a little,but can't find anyone.It definitely wasn't our Marianne,then,but if the story is in 1850 - 1853,yes,the discription fits her.

She and her entourage travelled from Sicily to Malta and on to Alexandria.From there she travelled to the pyramids and Cairo,and returned to Alexandria where she "purchased" a black boy who was sold as a slave at the market there.She educated him,and,"the moorish boy",was taken care off for the rest of his life.

She then travelled in Palestine & Syria for a while before returning to Italy where she aquired a villa at the Monte Celio at The Vatican,had it renovated and refurbished and then named it "Celimontana","Heavenly mountain"...

It was then she called for her son,Johannes,who had stayed/remained at Cefalu,Sicily till then,and was a two year old when he saw his mother,again.She left him for her journey when he was only two weeks old.

Ah,lives can be so stange,no,different,and then turn tragic don't you think.

[Marengo]

I just read that princess Marianne was considered a very sexually 'free' lady. So much that there were legendary stories about erotic parties at her villa in Voorburg. She had a plateau built in her garden, where nude young women would sit on at times. The stable boys, only dressed in boots, would have to climb the plateau. The stable boy that would be on top first would have intercourse with the woman, in front of the princess and a few guests.

Source: M. Matthijsen 'De gemaskerde eeuw'.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Marengo

I just read that princess Marianne was considered a very sexually 'free' lady. So much that there were legendary stories about erotic parties at her villa in Voorburg. She had a plateau built in her garden, where nude young women would sit on at times. The stable boys, only dressed in boots, would have to climb the plateau. The stable boy that would be on top first would have intercourse with the woman, in front of the princess and a few guests.

Source: M. Matthijsen 'De gemaskerde eeuw'.

A story that has more to do with the secret vaults in the brain of the author,then it has with Princess Marianne I'm sure....
he's still climbing I suppose......

[Marengo]

Not really, he uses primairy sources from that time.

Another anecdote: it was obvious that there was very little love lost between princess Marianne and her sister in law Queen Anna Pavlovna. Queen Anna preferred not to see her, and when she heard that princess Marianne was ill, she arranged that a planned court ball would be held earlier, so the princess would not attend. However, half way the ball, the doors opened and princess Marianne entered, covered in chicken pox. The queen put her hands on her back and refused to greet her s-i-l, mothers send their younger daughters away to prevent them from catching the disease. When princess Marianne noticed this she shaked the hands of every girl that was present. In the end 1400 people got the chicken pox, including the king, but nobody died.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Not really, he uses primairy sources from that time.

Another anecdote: it was obvious that there was very little love lost between princess Marianne and her sister in law Queen Anna Pavlovna. Queen Anna preferred not to see her, and when she heard that princess Marianne was ill, she arranged that a planned court ball would be held earlier, so the princess would not attend. However, half way the ball, the doors opened and princess Marianne entered, covered in chicken pox. The queen put her hands on her back and refused to greet her s-i-l, mothers send their younger daughters away to prevent them from catching the disease. When princess Marianne noticed this she shaked the hands of every girl that was present. In the end 1400 people got the chicken pox, including the king, but nobody died.

Great anecdote,and what a naughty gal for that time and age mind you....
Still,spoiled rotten as she was by her "daddy",she is one of my favorite members of the Orange Nassaus of the past....

Grinning..at what must have been Anna's horror,tell you what,there was little love lost between Anna and almost everybody.
A very difficult character..Pauls daughter.

[Marengo]

More than naughty in this case, infecting other people with a disease on purpose... Most dutch royals of that period seem to have been difficult characters, save Queen Wilhelmina Frederica perhaps.

[principessa]

Schlesisches Wochenblatt is reporting, that in Breslau the Year of Princess Marianne of Oranje-Nassau will be started with a parade.

SCHLESISCHES WOCHENBLATT - Die größte deutsch-polnische Zeitung der deutschen Minderheit in Polen. Information, Kultur, Politik, Service.

[jonnydep]

hi,
didnt marianne and albrecht have a stillborn son born in berlin 4 dec 1832. i do not think he is listed in the adove posts concerning the couples children or descendants.
but saying that, i have learnt something new - i was not aware that marianne took a lover and had a child by him. the fact is not mentioned in burkes royal families of europe (1977), where in some cases natural children are listed in the genealogies.........or at least said to have natural children / issue......
well thanks for that new info.......

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by principessa

Schlesisches Wochenblatt is reporting, that in Breslau the Year of Princess Marianne of Oranje-Nassau will be started with a parade.

SCHLESISCHES WOCHENBLATT - Die größte deutsch-polnische Zeitung der deutschen Minderheit in Polen. Information, Kultur, Politik, Service.

I wondered why Breslau would celebrate princess Marianne, but I see that her visit caused the town to change in a tourist attraction.

[susan alicia]

I suppose because of this:
Wapedia - Wiki: Marianne der Nederlanden
........Prinses Marianne heeft in de tijd dat zij in Duitsland woonde, in de buurt van Wrocław (Breslau), veel voor de streek betekend. Zij heeft veel geïnvesteerd in de aanleg van wegen en de (glas)industrie. In Stronie Śląskie (Seitenberg) staat nu nog de Violetta glasfabriek, waarvan zij de oprichting mogelijk heeft gemaakt.....

rough translation: she lived in Wroclaw (Breslau) and meant a lot for the region. She invested in roadbuilding and the glassindustrie.


Good to hear, I always liked the fact that she kept her illigitimate child but was shocked by the chickenpox story.

[PRINCEDEMONTREAL]

Fascinating personnage. New little about her. She lived before her time. Today in royal families no one would think anything about divorces, natural children and lovers.

[Marengo]

Palace Het Loo has an exhibition of Princess Marianne's trip to the Holy land, 1849-1850:

Tentoonstelling over prinses Marianne

The exhibition will last until January 11th.