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Old 12-25-2013, 05:16 PM
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The constitution clearly says no one who is not in the line of succession can inherit the throne, to me this makes it more likely that Martha Louise and not Mette Marit would be made regent, but that will be decided by the parliament (see below).

I’ve read through the Norwegian constitution pertaining to the royal family and this is some of what I found (besides the already linked article 6):

One can only ascend when one has turned 18 and taken an oath in a cabinet meeting to rule Norway to the best of one’s ability and according to Norwegian laws.

When a Prince or Princess has turned 18 they can partake in cabinet meetings, though without vote or responsibility, unless he or she is acting regent which they can be if the King/Queen is sick or out of the country.

If the king or heir dies before the next heir is 18 the ministers must assemble at the Parliament and call in the Parliment. Until all the members of the Parliament is in attendance the rule of the country is by the ministers of the present government. The parliament decides who will act as regent.
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Old 12-25-2013, 05:36 PM
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The constitution clearly says no one who is not in the line of succession can inherit the throne, to me this makes it more likely that Martha Louise and not Mette Marit would be made regent, but that will be decided by the parliament (see below).



I’ve read through the Norwegian constitution pertaining to the royal family and this is some of what I found (besides the already linked article 6):



One can only ascend when one has turned 18 and taken an oath in a cabinet meeting to rule Norway to the best of one’s ability and according to Norwegian laws.



When a Prince or Princess has turned 18 they can partake in cabinet meetings, though without vote or responsibility, unless he or she is acting regent which they can be if the King/Queen is sick or out of the country.



If the king or heir dies before the next heir is 18 the ministers must assemble at the Parliament and call in the Parliment. Until all the members of the Parliament is in attendance the rule of the country is by the ministers of the present government. The parliament decides who will act as regent.

Aren't these two separate issues-1 is ascending to the throne and 2-is acting as regent. MM would not ascend to the throne, but i haven't seen anything that suggests that she can't act as regent with Parliament's consent.
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Old 12-25-2013, 05:38 PM
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Please note that in the dutch example there already was a precedent when Queen Emma, the wife of Willem III, became regent for her daughter Wilhelmina after Willem III died until Wilhelmina was 18. (Emma herself obviously not being in the line of succession as she was "only" a spouse and mother.) Wilhelmina was the Queen, Emma the Queen-regent.

It's still possible that Mette-Marit would get a similar role in Norway, but from what Vestfoldlilja mentions, that would first be determined by the parliament (so basically: similar to what happened in the Netherlands with Maxima, only in the NL it was arranged straight away and not waiting until something unfortunate happened to the King, maybe this also had to do a little bit with the ordeal of P.Friso, which showed an accident can happen very quickly..)
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Old 12-25-2013, 05:50 PM
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Aren't these two separate issues-1 is ascending to the throne and 2-is acting as regent. MM would not ascend to the throne, but i haven't seen anything that suggests that she can't act as regent with Parliament's consent.
Yes, I agree there are two separate issues, ascending the throne vs acting as regent, but I just can’t imagine the parliament choosing Mette Marit to act as regent if one who was in the line of succession was around to do the same.

In any case, hopefully we will never know!
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Old 12-25-2013, 06:32 PM
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Please note that in the dutch example there already was a precedent when Queen Emma, the wife of Willem III, became regent for her daughter Wilhelmina after Willem III died until Wilhelmina was 18. (Emma herself obviously not being in the line of succession as she was "only" a spouse and mother.) Wilhelmina was the Queen, Emma the Queen-regent.

It's still possible that Mette-Marit would get a similar role in Norway, but from what Vestfoldlilja mentions, that would first be determined by the parliament (so basically: similar to what happened in the Netherlands with Maxima, only in the NL it was arranged straight away and not waiting until something unfortunate happened to the King, maybe this also had to do a little bit with the ordeal of P.Friso, which showed an accident can happen very quickly..)

It's pretty common for regents to be pre-established when the heir to a throne is still a minor. This hasn't happened in most realms because the heir is, typically, someone in their 30s or 40s, and thus a regent isn't necessary.

I believe, but I could be wrong, that the only monarchy with an underage heir that hasn't established who the regent would be is Belgium, but that's likely because the king is still new.

The monarchies that have adult heirs and a regency system in place are those that have a cover-all system in - ie Britain. Even then, however, the system sometimes is changed when the heir is underage. While Charles was a child the British regency act was altered so that his father and not his aunt would serve as his regent if the need rose.
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Old 01-26-2014, 08:59 AM
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I found this short article to this theme:
Norway Succession | The Royal Fanzine
"Only descendants of the reigning monarch’s siblings and their descendants are entitled to succeed."
When this is the rule, than ML should be made the regent for IA, not MM.
But I don't know how much ML follows the royallife, how much is she clear with the things (rules, laws), what a regent should to know. Or do you think she get sometimes "lessons" for the case if this situation would come? How much is she involved in the works of her father? What should she know as regent? Well, interesting, she is not the type who I can imagine to be a regent...
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Old 01-26-2014, 10:25 AM
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I found this short article to this theme:
Norway Succession | The Royal Fanzine
"Only descendants of the reigning monarch’s siblings and their descendants are entitled to succeed."
When this is the rule, than ML should be made the regent for IA, not MM.
But I don't know how much ML follows the royallife, how much is she clear with the things (rules, laws), what a regent should to know. Or do you think she get sometimes "lessons" for the case if this situation would come? How much is she involved in the works of her father? What should she know as regent? Well, interesting, she is not the type who I can imagine to be a regent...
Being a regent does not make you in line for the throne, being in line for the throne is no requirement to be a regent. In the link only the succession line is described, this is something different...

In other words: should both the king and P.Haakon die, P. IA is the new Queen, if she is at that time underage, she will require a regent, but who that regent is is a seperate story
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Interestingly, the Norwegian constitution also limits the people in the succession, and at some point in the recent years as they translated it to New Norwegian, it got even more narrow in some ways.

Before it was:
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Dog tilkommer arverett ikke noen som ikke er født i rett nedstigende linje fra den sist regjerende konge eller dronning eller fra dennes bror eller søster, eller selv er dennes bror eller søster.
Anyone not born in line from the last reigning King or Queen, or from his or her brother or sister, or are his or her brother or sister do not have Inheritance rights.

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Arverett har likevel berre dei som ættar frå foreldra til den sist regjerande dronninga eller kongen.
Right to inheritance have only those who descend from the parents to the last reigning queen or king.

At the moment the succession is:
1. CP Haakon
2. Ingrid Alexandra
3. Sverre Magnus
4. Märtha Louise
5. Maud Angelica
6. Leah Isadora
7. Emma Tallulah.

If either of ML's kids have children when Haakon becomes King, they would be in the line of succession.

But with the change, the moment Ingrid Alexandra becomes Queen - new additions to the line of succession are limited to her descendants and her brother's. Whereas before, it also included ML's future descendants a bit longer .
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Interestingly, the Norwegian constitution also limits the people in the succession, and at some point in the recent years as they translated it to New Norwegian, it got even more narrow in some ways.

Before it was:
Anyone not born in line from the last reigning King or Queen, or from his or her brother or sister, or are his or her brother or sister do not have Inheritance rights.

Right to inheritance have only those who descend from the parents to the last reigning queen or king.

At the moment the succession is:
1. CP Haakon
2. Ingrid Alexandra
3. Sverre Magnus
4. Märtha Louise
5. Maud Angelica
6. Leah Isadora
7. Emma Tallulah.

If either of ML's kids have children when Haakon becomes King, they would be in the line of succession.

But with the change, the moment Ingrid Alexandra becomes Queen - new additions to the line of succession are limited to her descendants and her brother's. Whereas before, it also included ML's future descendants a bit longer .

Intresting but quiet reasonable too. It not make any sense that on line of succession is tens of names or even hundreds or thousands of names like on British line of succession. Has other monarchies too limitation to numbers of names on line of succession?
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Interestingly, the Norwegian constitution also limits the people in the succession, and at some point in the recent years as they translated it to New Norwegian, it got even more narrow in some ways.

Before it was:

Dog tilkommer arverett ikke noen som ikke er født i rett nedstigende linje fra den sist regjerende konge eller dronning eller fra dennes bror eller søster, eller selv er dennes bror eller søster.

Anyone not born in line from the last reigning King or Queen, or from his or her brother or sister, or are his or her brother or sister do not have Inheritance rights.

Arverett har likevel berre dei som ættar frå foreldra til den sist regjerande dronninga eller kongen.

Right to inheritance have only those who descend from the parents to the last reigning queen or king.

At the moment the succession is:
1. CP Haakon
2. Ingrid Alexandra
3. Sverre Magnus
4. Märtha Louise
5. Maud Angelica
6. Leah Isadora
7. Emma Tallulah.

If either of ML's kids have children when Haakon becomes King, they would be in the line of succession.

But with the change, the moment Ingrid Alexandra becomes Queen - new additions to the line of succession are limited to her descendants and her brother's. Whereas before, it also included ML's future descendants a bit longer .
Can you explain the difference, please? I don't see the practical difference between the two translations.
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:14 PM
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Can you explain the difference, please? I don't see the practical difference between the two translations.
They also seem semantically equivalent to me.
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Old 01-06-2020, 06:49 PM
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So if Maud, Leah or Emma have descendants while Haakon is king, they’d be in line of succession.
So when IA accedes to the throne, do they lose their place in succession? Or no newer descendants of theirs would be added?
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So if Maud, Leah or Emma have descendants while Haakon is king, they’d be in line of succession.
So when IA accedes to the throne, do they lose their place in succession? Or no newer descendants of theirs would be added?
They will lose their places under the third paragraph of Article 6 of the Constitution.
The right of succession shall not, however, belong to any person who is not born in the direct line of descent from the last reigning Queen or King or a sister or brother thereof, or is not herself or himself a sister or brother thereof.

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Thanks for the info.
Can Mette-Marit -as the mother of IA and Sverre- say "no" for the succession line, or about this case she couldn't decide?
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Only the regent can write people in and out of the line of succession.
The monarch/regent does not have the authority to unilaterally make changes to the Constitution, which determines the line of succession, apart from having the right to remove a person from the line of succession by withholding their consent to the marriage of that person (Article 36).

https://www.stortinget.no/In-English...-Constitution/


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She didn't give up her title it was altered for Her Royal Highness to Her Highness so she would be able to lead a normalish life with her husband and children.
The will of the King determined that "Her/His Highness" is only meant to be used when abroad. See the Norwegian version of the website where she is simply Princess Märtha Louise.

https://www.kongehuset.no/artikkel.h...7568&sek=27023


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Intresting but quiet reasonable too. It not make any sense that on line of succession is tens of names or even hundreds or thousands of names like on British line of succession. Has other monarchies too limitation to numbers of names on line of succession?
The constitution of Monaco uses the same limitation as that of Norway: descendants of the last reigning prince/ss and his or her siblings.

The Constitution of the Netherlands establishes the limit of three degrees of kinship from the last reigning king/queen.
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