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Old 05-26-2021, 07:30 AM
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Historically (it's different now because I don't think Sverre is either HRH or HH), I think the CP's children have all been HH until their father ascends the throne, at which point they become HRH.
The children of then Crown Prince Olav and then Crown Prince Harald were HRH from birth, which is the reason the decision regarding Sverre Magnus was considered a break with tradition.

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He is not related to a royal in anyway, there is no logical reason he should be given one. If Haakon chooses to give him one out of sentimentality then that's far enough. However it would mean Marcus would have to perform duties for the RF, which I doubt he wants to.
At present, only the HRH title is linked to performing duties for the royal family. The King has supported the right of his daughter to retain the title of Princess even though she has mostly ceased to represent the monarchy.

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It is the same in Spain with the title Prince/Prccness of Asturias. But still the consort a Prince of Asturias is styled Princess of Asturias. We will see if this will also be the case for a male spouse but as also the husbands of spanish Ducghesses are styled Duke of Albva etc. i think it is very likely.
The decree regulating royal titles in Spain stipulates that male and female spouses of Princesses/Princes of Asturias will also be styled Prince/Princess of Asturias, as is the Spanish tradition.
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Old 05-26-2021, 07:32 AM
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Her HRH was removed. In Norway she is no longer a (royal) highness. It is just abroad that she is acknowledged as highness (just like her nephew prince Sverre Magnus).
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That's interesting! I always assumed Sverre Magnus was an HH. A prince (or princess) without an HH (or HRH) is an interesting concept. Are there only HRHs in Norway (and no HHs)- so he can only be that or "just" a prince?
Somebody is correct. You will notice that the Norwegian version of the official website of the monarchy does not use HH (or HRH) for princesses and princes who are not members of the Royal House, whereas the English version does. This follows the King's decision that the princesses and princes who have no predicate in Norway would be allowed to use HH when they are abroad, as HRH/HH titles have little significance in Norway but are given more importance in some foreign countries.

There have been no HHs in Norway for over 200 years. The Swedish Royal House, which reigned over Norway from 1814 to 1905, does not use HH.


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So far, the children in the royal family have all had their father's surname and/or titles, so it's interesting that Märtha Louise apparently considered giving them her surname had she had one.
So far all princes of the current royal family who have had children have been crown princes, so it would have been odd if their children did not have their fathers' titles.

Princesses Ragnhild and Astrid had no choice to make. The laws of the day required married women to take the names of their husbands, which also affected the children of the marriages. You will notice that most of their grandchildren were given the surnames of both parents, as has become the norm in both Norway and Brazil.

Under the 2002 name legislation, Princess Märtha Louise and Prince Sverre Magnus (unless new legislation is passed before he has children, or his children are made princesses/princes and do not require a surname) had/have many more options. A child can be given the surname of any of their parents, grandparents, great-grandparents or great-great-grandparents or any surname to which the child has a special connection. The child can also be given any common surname which is registered as the surname of over 200 people in Norway, or the parents can create a new surname. A patronymic or matronymic based on the forename of the parent (e.g. Magnusen) may also be given as the child's surname.
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