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07-17-2007, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Aurora810
Wow there is already a lot of info in this thread. But frankly it is much too complicated to grasp. I mean this very well could be a never ending thread depending on how far back one goes...We could soon have the entire genealogy of the Norwegian RF. Yikes, my head is already spinning.
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Well, if you really go back far enough the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg which is a collateral branch of the House of Oldenburg, is German in origin.
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10-12-2007, 10:14 AM
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Publication of taxes in Norway
Every year the Norwegian tax authority makes the taxation records open to the public, online, for a limited length of time. You can search the name - and see how much you paid in taxes, how big your fortune is and how much you earned the last year.
When Märtha Louise began to earn money, her tax records were only made available to the public at the Oslo tax office. (Same for Ari Behn after he married her).
Princess Astrid's and Princess Ragnhild's records, on the other hand, are available to the public online. I really don't know why there is a difference between them in this.
Of course, the newspapers go to the tax office and get the numbers anyway, so they publish them (online) in their newspapers: http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=174265 and they do seem to focus on Märtha and Ari's taxes instead of Ragnhild and Astrid's... so maybe it is a "what is newsworthy"-kind of thing? Or maybe the fact that Märtha and Ari's income/fortune changes greatly from year to year keeps the interest in them alive, while Astrid's fortune is pretty much the same every year and her income is basically the honorary pension from the state and interests?
Just something that made me wonder earlier today.  I blame the extreme focus the newspapers have today, on who earns what.
The King, Queen, the Crown Prince and Princess don't pay taxes and are therefore not included in this.
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10-12-2007, 05:16 PM
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Here are some information:
Märtha Louise made 2.266.852 kroner in 2006 and had a fortune of 5,9 millions, she payed 818.000 kroner in tax
Ari Behn made 1.010.000 kroner, and has a fortune of 0 kroner
Princess Astrid has a fortune of 68 millions, 0 in income and payed 450 000 kroner in tax
Johan Martin Ferner also had an income of 0, and a fortune of 8,8 millions
The rest of the Ferners, not all of them are related to the royal family but Im sure you recognise some of them
http://skatt.vg.no/?do=search-person&forna...geto=120&fylke=
Princess Ragnhild: income 106 000, fortune 1,6 millions
Erling Sven Lorentzen, income 0, fortune 1,2 millions
Obiously theese numbers are not reflecting the truth as they are loaded, I guess their money is placed in Brazil and they have good accountants 
Mette-Marits family
Marit Tjessem: income: 153 000, fortune 950 000 tax: 41 200
Esepn Høiby: income: 1.079.000, fortune 0. tax: 503.000
Per Høiby: 684.000 fortune: 0 tax: 285.600
Kristin Bjørnøy: income 144.000 fortune: 0 tax: 34.000
Both Mette-Marits brothers have high incomes by Norwegian standards, esp Espen, as Pilots makes alot of money but then he also gives half of it back trough taxes 
Ari Behns family
Olav Bjørshol: income 87.000 tax: 26.000 fortune:0
Marianne Solberg Behn: 80.000 tax: 23.000
Anja Bjørshol: income 45 kroner
Espen Bjørshol income 0
Obiously they make more than this or they would starve to death, when
you have low incomes and high mortages the tax lists does not show your real income or soemthing like that.
Some friends and relatives
Pia Haraldsen income 477 000
Kåre conradi (Aris Best man) income: 1.200.000
Marianne Ulrichsen (ML Maid og honour and relative) income 0, fortune 104 millions!!!
Kjell Christian Ulrichsen, Sonjas cousin, father of Marianne, income 0 (yeah right  ) fortune 342 millions
The average Norwegian income when divided on all tax payers are 173 441 kroner
http://skatt.vg.no/
currency converter
U.S. Dollar to Norwegian Krone Exchange Rate - Yahoo! Finance
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10-18-2007, 10:22 AM
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why the king and the crown prince doesnt pay taxes? I think that they should pay.
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10-18-2007, 11:43 AM
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yes, they should be like the british.
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10-26-2007, 08:00 AM
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Is the news true?
i have heard the news that when queen sonja got known mette-marit , she was so angry and disappointed that she got ill . Later ,queen had to get into hospital. And queen had been there for a week. It sounded terrible. question : is the news true? 
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10-26-2007, 09:12 AM
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I don't know if Queen Sonja got ill or not, but its a moot point now. Seeing that her son is happily married to Mette Marit.
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10-26-2007, 10:27 AM
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Well her past was not so clean has she could imagine her daugther in law would be but...
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10-26-2007, 10:39 AM
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Sonja's problem at the time was not connected to Mette-Marit's past, but rather the "storm" created by the media on Haakon and Mette-Marit's relationship. She has mentioned in interviews that it brought back memories of the time of Harald's courtship of her, when she faced criticism from everywhere just for who she had fallen in love with.
The courtship of Sonja & Harald is said to be why they have always been very including with their children's boyfriends and girlfriends, and invited them with them to their holiday places in Norway - because they didn't want their children to go through what they had faced.
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11-01-2007, 08:35 PM
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What kind of illness did HM get? Physical complaints or mental things?
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11-02-2007, 12:27 PM
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If I remember correctly Sonja had alot of problems with her feet and as a consequens the back in the end of the 90s the very beginning of 2000, Märtha took over many of her engagements at one moment. She said something like the writings in the press brought ba all ckthe bad memories she had from the long wait she had to get engaged.
Generally she seems much younger and easy going now than she did 10 years ago, or maybe she has just finally become more relaxed, she was really stuck up and stiff in her first years as Queen in my personal oppinion. She also is steadidly gaining popularity if one should belive the polls.
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11-02-2007, 06:25 PM
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I remember reading an article about HM´s popularity, which was related to the high costs of the restauration of the Royal Palace in Oslo (I believe she was generally considered the one who was responsible for the higher costs).
I wonder how bad press can cause bad feet though 
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11-02-2007, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by norwegianne
Sonja's problem at the time was not connected to Mette-Marit's past, but rather the "storm" created by the media on Haakon and Mette-Marit's relationship. She has mentioned in interviews that it brought back memories of the time of Harald's courtship of her, when she faced criticism from everywhere just for who she had fallen in love with.
The courtship of Sonja & Harald is said to be why they have always been very including with their children's boyfriends and girlfriends, and invited them with them to their holiday places in Norway - because they didn't want their children to go through what they had faced.
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Now with link of an interview Sonja did in Norwegian around the time of the wedding to counter the rumours that she didn't like Mette-Marit:
Exhausted by the rumours : "My past under pressure caught up with me again, and wore me out" - The rumours around Mette-Marit wore Queen Sonja out. The memories from the hard time when she was dating Crown Prince Harald were brought back to life again. http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=3641734
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11-02-2007, 07:00 PM
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Bad feet can cause all sorts of misery! I have a rather large bunion which causes me pain if I walk too long..It isn't bad press! I Do feel for her....
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11-03-2007, 03:04 PM
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I wonder how bad press can cause bad feet though |
I ment she was in hospital because of her feet in the beginning of Haakons relationship with MEtte-MArit, she was on sick leave several times. I never said the bad press made her feet bad, just that this was the reason she was on sick leave around that time.
This article says she was operated in her foot in October 2000 and november 2001 when she had a three months sick leave, 6 months later she had yet another corrective surgery on her foot. Opereres i dag
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11-06-2007, 02:41 AM
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the Royal family lives on govermental salary/pension? why should it take back part of it via taxes?
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11-06-2007, 08:13 PM
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I never said that you said that bad press caused bad feet, I was just making a lighter note to show that I didn´t see the connection yet between Queen Sonja´s health and the bad publicity. But thanks to your explanation I do now.
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11-09-2007, 01:52 PM
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Is Norway a place very expensive for living? How pay the people of taxes? For example, a journalist or a teacher?
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11-09-2007, 02:25 PM
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Is Norway a place very expensive for living? How pay the people of taxes? For example, a journalist or a teacher?
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Norway is one of the world's most expensive countries to live in, but similarly, the wages are also higher. How much tax you pay generally depends on how much you earn - the top tax comes into play at a certain sum, and social tax also plays in, as do taxes on money in the bank above a certain sum, taxes to the municipality and the county and so on and so forth.
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11-14-2007, 04:53 PM
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Princess Astrid has a fortune of 68 millions, 0 in income and payed 450 000 kroner in tax
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Does this mean that even those with 0 in income have to pay that high taxes? Or does she pay taxes on her fortune or what?
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