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Old 06-06-2018, 09:26 PM
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JR76, This is a picture I never saw. Thank you so much.
No Belgian member of the family , they were on exile in 1947 until 1950. It is strange that even Queen Astrid Children were not alowed to leave the Country.
Why were the Royal Children not allowed to leave Belgium?
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Leopold III, king of the Belgians 1901–83, king of the Belgians (1934–51), son and successor of Albert I. In 1936, Leopold announced a fundamental change in foreign policy; Belgium abandoned its military alliance with France in favor of a return to neutrality. In May, 1940, Germany—which in 1937 had guaranteed Belgian neutrality—invaded the Low Countries. Leopold led the Belgian army in resisting the invaders. After the defense became hopeless, Leopold, over the opposition of his cabinet, surrendered unconditionally (May 28), thus provoking accusations of treason. A prisoner of war at his castle at Laken, Leopold refused to exercise an active rule under German tutelage. After his first wife, Astrid, was killed in an automobile accident while Leopold was at the wheel, he married (1941) a commoner, whom he later created princess of Réthy. Removed (1944) to Germany, Leopold was freed by Allied troops in 1945. His return to Belgium was a burning political issue. The Liberal and leftist parties accused him of cooperation with Nazi Germany and of fascist sympathies, and his main support came from the Catholic Conservatives. In 1945, Leopold was barred from returning without the permission of the parliament. He spent his exile mostly in Switzerland while his brother, Prince Charles, acted as regent. A referendum held in 1950 favored the king’s return by a slight majority. However, Leopold’s arrival in Belgium was followed by such unrest that he transferred the royal powers to his eldest son, Baudouin. In July, 1951, Leopold formally abdicated.

Treated very unfairly, I may add. A decent, good man.
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Old 06-21-2018, 10:53 AM
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Treated very unfairly, I may add. A decent, good man.

The issue with Leopold III was not so much surrendering to Germany per se, as Belgium's military position was indeed hopeless and nobody could realistically expect him to do what his father had done in World War I. His biggest fault was actually to surrender and remain in Belgium contrary to the advice of the government, which would be unconstitutional and, in my opinion, disqualified him from staying on the throne.
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Old 06-21-2018, 11:18 AM
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You are right Mbrunu. How many travels the Belgian Ministers did to Switzerland and the answer was always "no" . Bad personal Advisers.
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Old 09-29-2018, 08:42 PM
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King Leopold III took his son Prince Alexander for a motorcycle ride in 1954.
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Noblesse et Royautés wrote :
King Leopold III Bugatti 59 from 1934 is sold 10, 7 millions euros. A record !
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I wonder who sold it?
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Leopold III - car search

Leopold III was a car enthusiast who owned quite a lot of them, e.g. he had a deal with General Motors and was provided a Chevrolet Corvette every year. This is the reason for me to ask here for support. I own a '65 Corvette for which there are rumors to have once been his car. All my different routes to proof this have yielded nothing. I contacted Belgium DIV since I have a license plate that was registered on the Royal Palace as well as several pictures showing different Corvettes with this license plate. Unfortunately, the record at the DIV only lists one car for this license plate. So it appears to be incomplete. The Royal List doesn't have any information in this regard, too. My car - if it was his - is believed to have been driven around Villa Leopolda back then, too. There was once a TV documentation "Historie"on VHT about Leopold III and there is a footage contained showing Leopold III in a '65 Corvette accompanied by Lilian. I have attached picture excerpts of this footage. I would be very grateful for:
  • any information when and where the footage was taken
  • if and perhaps where I can search for color pictures taken there to identify the actual color of the car
  • if there is an expert who might have detailed information on Leopold IIIs cars (the Belgium driver and author Paul Frere had collected such information before he deceased)
  • any other 60ies pictures showing Leopold III in a sports car.
  • anything else that might be helpful.
Thanks in advance.

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Old 01-14-2021, 06:32 AM
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That will help his daughter Marie Christine in money need.

After Queen Astrid passed away he was never seen at the Scandinavian Royal Events.
He saw Princess Ingeborg only at the Wedding of Josephine Charlotte.
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King Leopold III reviews military parade in Brussels 1940.
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Prince Leopold (King Leopold III) owned a 1928 Bugatti Type 43 car.
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Coronation of King Leopold II (1934).
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King Leopold III and Queen Astrid attended a Charity Gala for Invalid Soldiers.
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King Leopold III and Queen Astrid attended a Charity Gala for Invalid Soldiers.
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Lovely pic !
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Lovely pic !
Princess Elisabeth wearing the Art Deco bandeau would look a lot like Queen Astrid.
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[...] Leopold led the Belgian army in resisting the invaders. After the defense became hopeless, Leopold, over the opposition of his cabinet, surrendered unconditionally (May 28), thus provoking accusations of treason. A prisoner of war at his castle at Laken, Leopold refused to exercise an active rule under German tutelage.
This is a very basic question, but could those who have an understanding of that period of Belgian history explain why King Leopold III was crucified for remaining on Belgian soil out of a wish to share the fate of his subjects, while his father King Albert I was applauded for the same course of action only a generation earlier?
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Yes King Leopold III did the same as his Father to stay on the Belgian Soil, but the conditions were absolutely not the same.
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This is a very basic question, but could those who have an understanding of that period of Belgian history explain why King Leopold III was crucified for remaining on Belgian soil out of a wish to share the fate of his subjects, while his father King Albert I was applauded for the same course of action only a generation earlier?

I am not an expert in Belgian history, but I see two differences.


First, Albert I did not surrender. He was still fighting a war in occupied territory.


Second, the government advised Leopold III to leave Belgium and stay with his ministers in exile. As a constitutional monarch, he was bound to follow ministerial advice and chose not to do it.


If I am wrong, I ask the Belgian posters to kindly correct me.
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Old 04-27-2022, 09:55 AM
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Yes you are right but for King Leopold III it was a long story !
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This is a very basic question, but could those who have an understanding of that period of Belgian history explain why King Leopold III was crucified for remaining on Belgian soil out of a wish to share the fate of his subjects, while his father King Albert I was applauded for the same course of action only a generation earlier?
It's not that basic. It's quite complicated. First of all, the Belgians didn't prevail with the son in charge, obviously.

He asked the occupying Nazis to put him in a prisoner-of-war camp with his men. If they had done that, things might have been very different. However, they didn't, he got extremely depressed by himself in the Palace — and he married Lilian from a combination of that, loneliness, wartime carpe diem mentality, and probably being in love — but the sudden and secretive act was seen as very selfish, not sharing their fate, a betrayal of idolized Queen Astrid, and the Belgian people never forgave him.

This, combined with Leopold having a govt. in exile that hated him with the feeling being mutual, and the British and French governments needing a scapegoat for the disaster of May 1940...

Basically, any chance or action of his (or Lilian's after their marriage) was then used to paint him and her as Nazi sympathizers, despite the fact the Germans almost murdered them both and all four children, too.

It's very unfair. Leopold made mistakes, but he made more enemies, and one thing he was not was any kind of collaborator. (Just look at autocratic Christian X in Denmark, who stayed and is still a hero.)

Just to recap, people who hated Leopold:
- The Belgians
- The Belgian government
- The British and French governments
- His own brother, the eventual Regent (that one was lifelong)

Even if I'm missing someone, that's a lot to deal with. Roger Keyes made reference to "slings and arrows" for good reason.
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