Queen Beatrix Announces Abdication: January 28, 2013

[NGalitzine]

Originally Posted by Andolini

Excuse my ignorance, but I am confused. People here say Queen Beatrix will be known as "princess" But on wikipedia, it has a photo of the late Queen Emma and it says: "photo of Emma, the Queen Mother". Why would Queen Beatrix not be called the same?

Emma was never Queen Regnant. She was Queen Consort and then Queen Mother after the death of her husband Willem III. She was also the Regent during her daughters minority.

[bertie5252003]

Gosh .... that is news .. am interested to watch it all .. is he popular in Holland ??

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by EIIR

More generally, I just don't understand this idea that monarchs can 'resign'. It just feels wrong to me. Will Princess Beatrix have to curtsey to her son and daughter-in-law now?

I think that curtseying has been eliminated in the dutch royal family years ago Queen Juliana didn't like it

[Marengo]

Originally Posted by EIIR

More generally, I just don't understand this idea that monarchs can 'resign'. It just feels wrong to me. Will Princess Beatrix have to curtsey to her son and daughter-in-law now?

Curtsey was abolished in the Netherlands by Queen Juliana. I haven't seen Máxima make a curtsey to the Queen either.

[Dman]

Originally Posted by EIIR

I'm sure every monarch and their consort are "attentive" to their children as possible, but it's undoubtedly true that when a couple reach the top job they simply cannot be as present in their children's day to day lives as possible. From Charles in our own according to kornet, "3rd world" country, to Frederik in Denmark and Victoria in Sweden, they all have stated that they saw less of their parents than they would've liked to when they were growing up.

As regards Charles, I don't see why you see a short reign as any type of disappointment. History has shown that short reigns can be very effective and also very popular. Edward VII reigned very successfully for less than a decade, as did George VI for 16 years. Charles could conceivably reign for 20+ years.

If Charles had been King for the last 20 years, the UK would be very much the poorer. The constraints of the top job would've meant his charitable efforts would have had to be put aside, and William would not have been old enough or experienced enough to take it on.

More generally, I just don't understand this idea that monarchs can 'resign'. It just feels wrong to me. Will Princess Beatrix have to curtsey to her son and daughter-in-law now?

I get the feeling Charles will bring a new flavor to his future role as Monarch. I think he will try to find a way to remain active in his charities and probably pass somethings down to his children and daughter-in-law.

[Josefine]

What countries did Beatrix make her first state visit to and from?

In Sweden a new King or Queen makes a eriksgata to every county is this done in the netherlands?

[Lumutqueen]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Curtsey was abolished in the Netherlands by Queen Juliana. I haven't seen Máxima make a curtsey to the Queen either.

She abolished it? Why?

Originally Posted by kornet

Because in the Netherlands we have no constitutional court, and the problem here is that judges can not judge laws passed by parliament.
But soon the EU will tackle that problem, we are not a sovereign country anymore since the ESM treaty we are part of the EUSSR dictatorship.

If you've come here to moan about the EU I'd forget it. Wasting your breath.

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by bertie5252003

Gosh .... that is news .. am interested to watch it all .. is he popular in Holland ??

He's not unpopular... Maxima usually tops the popularity charts :-)

[NGalitzine]

Originally Posted by EIIR

. Will Princess Beatrix have to curtsey to her son and daughter-in-law now?

The Dutch do not curtsey so it won't be an issue.

[MissJanet]

So Led Zeppelin wrote this for Maxima?

"If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now
It's just a spring clean for the May Queen"

Or so :)

[Dutchy]

I am excited about the news of our Queen. This is a so historical moment for us. She has made a right choice to abidcate. I live in Amsterdam, so of course we go to the Dam square to see the whole inauguration.

[principessa]

Originally Posted by Marengo

More information from RTL: Willem-Alexander and family will continue to live at Villa Eikenhorst for now. On a later date they will move to the palace. The Queen will move to Drakensteyn.

The prince of Orange will step down as member of the IOC.

I think it is good that Willem-Alexander and Maxima will continue to live at Villa Eikenhorst. Their children can stay at their school and stay with their friends. Also an important fact.

[Al_bina]

Queen abdicates in favour of her middle-aged son! (no sorry, Charles, not THAT queen, the one in Holland) | Mail Online

[Marengo]

I don't think the princesses need to switch school if they move toHuis ten Bosch, by car it should be a 5 minute drive from Eikenhorst.

[Sister Morphine]

Originally Posted by Lee-Z

Kornet sure knew the right button to push here might want to ignore, don't think Kornet is interested in royalty-interested-conversations

I wouldn't say he/she pushed my buttons, I'm not from the UK. I just thought it was a rather odd statement to make, and wanted some clarification on why they felt that way.

[EIIR]

Originally Posted by Lumutqueen

Some Monarchs, I think, view being King or Queen as a job, as they rightly should and know when to bow out. She may now to her son out of respect perhaps, I doubt she is required.

I suppose this is the nub of the issue and where we differ. To me being sovereign is not a job, it is a vocation and a duty. It's not something that a person does from 9-5 Monday to Friday until they reach retirement age.

The Dutch evidently look at things differently, but hey, life would be pretty bloody boring if we all saw things in the same way.

[ricarda]

Originally Posted by Dman

I get the feeling Charles will bring a new flavor to his future role as Monarch. I think he will try to find a way to remain active in his charities and probably pass somethings down to his children and daughter-in-law.

LOL. Please be realistic. Charles will be 65 this year (Edward VII was 60 when he ascended the throne and died before he was 70).
If Queen Elizabeth has inherited her mother's genes she might well live until she is 101. Charles would be 80 when and if he ascends the throne. Even if his mother dies earlier he will be an old and no longer very active man when he becomes king. He will bring no new flavor to the Monarch's role.

I am not a fan of the tradition of abdication per se but when I look at the BRF and the excess of age there for probably the next 20 years, I think: Well done, Queen Beatrix.
But of course Queen Elizabeth could not possibly have handed the throne over to her son in 1993, even if she wanted to.

[Marengo]

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Marengo

[SalannB]

I have such mixed emotions about this. I've really grown to like Queen Beatrix, if not for her quirky hats. Truly, she's been a wonderful leader for her people. I publicly thank her here, for her service and sacrifice to the Dutch people.

All the best to W-A and Maxima on this next chapter in their lives!

Sal

P.S. Male heirs are "heir apparent"...females are "heir presumptive" (at least in the UK!)

[NGalitzine]

Originally Posted by SalannB

P.S. Male heirs are "heir apparent"...females are "heir presumptive" (at least in the UK!)

Yes but in The Netherlands the first born child is heir apparent regardless of gender and now also Prince/Princess of Orange. Under the proposed UK changes a first born female will also be Heiress Apparent even if she has a younger brother.