Abdication Issues & Rumours (2008-2013)

[bartholomeus]

I think her HM the Queen, will not become HM Queen Beatrix after her abdication, but she might be informally referred to as the Queen-Mother, as former Premier Lubbers has already done in the programma Buitenhof. If she would remain a Majesty and a Queen, this would be too confusing for the international and Dutch public.

HM the Queen will become HRH Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nasssau.... once more..

[Madame Royale]

I don't see why it's supposedly confusing? Surely people can distinguish between the spouse of the monarch and a dowager? They seem to manage fine elsewhere.

It's a very weird practice from this foreigners point of view.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by Madame Royale

I don't see why it's supposedly confusing? Surely people can distinguish between the spouse of the monarch and a dowager? They seem to manage fine elsewhere.

It's a very weird practice from this foreigners point of view.

Tru. I found it even more confusing aftern the death of Queen Juliana when she one the onen side was stilladressed as Princess but on the other side it was said that she now would be called Queen like it's now done.

[bartholomeus]

Originally Posted by Madame Royale

I don't see why it's supposedly confusing? Surely people can distinguish between the spouse of the monarch and a dowager? They seem to manage fine elsewhere.

It's a very weird practice from this foreigners point of view.

We are a country ruled by populists these days.. things cannot be unclear in any way..

I can imagine this is strange for foreigners, but our last two monarchs were referred to as princesses after abdicating, for Dutch citizens it has become a normal practice, and it also generates popularity and affection showing this kind of modesty.

Originally Posted by Stefan

Tru. I found it even more confusing aftern the death of Queen Juliana when she one the onen side was stilladressed as Princess but on the other side it was said that she now would be called Queen like it's now done.

When Premier Balkenende annouced that Princess Juliana would from that moment on be known once more as Queen Juliana, As a Dutch citizen I did not experience this as confusing, it felt as if they were honouring her by annoucing this so publicly. Besides this, after death, royals and especially kings and queens are usually referred to by their highest rank

Remember that we had several periodes in history without the Orange dynasty, We had two Stadholderless periods and King William II remembered this very well, when he turned from conservative to liberal in one night. The Queen will save her honour and the honour of her dynasty, but in the Netherlands this never happens by clinging on to a certain form of power or position. Things are open to change, and so I believe are the Queen and her heir.

[Henri M]

Originally Posted by bartholomeus

I think her HM the Queen, will not become HM Queen Beatrix after her abdication, but she might be informally referred to as the Queen-Mother, as former Premier Lubbers has already done in the programma Buitenhof. If she would remain a Majesty and a Queen, this would be too confusing for the international and Dutch public.

HM the Queen will become HRH Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Princess of Orange-Nasssau.... once more..

Hello Bartholomeus.

After her abdication Queen Beatrix will automatically become Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands. There is no any Royal Decree or other handling needed for that. The Royal House Act 2002 says:

Article 7

The presumed succesor to the King bears the title Prince (Princess) of Orange.

Article 8

1. The presumed successor to the King, and the King who has abdicated the kingship, bears the title Prince (Princess) of the Netherlands.

Article 9

1. The presumed successor to the King, and the King who has abdicated the kingship, bears the title Prince (Princess) of Orange-Nassau.

In the long legislative process which resulted in the modernized Royal House Act 2002, the lawmaker showed the intention to have the title of King exclusively be used by the Sovereign. And the title of Prince of Orange exclusively by the Heir.




Henri.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by bartholomeus

When Premier Balkenende annouced that Princess Juliana would from that moment on be known once more as Queen Juliana, As a Dutch citizen I did not experience this as confusing, it felt as if they were honouring her by annoucing this so publicly. Besides this, after death, royals and especially kings and queens are usually referred to by their highest rank

Bzut why was she then referred on the specialMemorialWebsite of the Royal House as princess and not as Queen.See here: The Dutch Royal House
And ifi remeberright the Priest referredto her during the funeral Service also as Princess Juliana not as Queen Juliana

[bartholomeus]

Originally Posted by Henri M

Hello Bartholomeus.

After her abdication Queen Beatrix will automatically become Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands. There is no any Royal Decree or other handling needed for that. The Royal House Act 2002 says:

Article 7

The presumed succesor to the King bears the title Prince (Princess) of Orange.

Article 8

1. The presumed successor to the King, and the King who has abdicated the kingship, bears the title Prince (Princess) of the Netherlands.

Article 9

1. The presumed successor to the King, and the King who has abdicated the kingship, bears the title Prince (Princess) of Orange-Nassau.

In the long legislative process which resulted in the modernized Royal House Act 2002, the lawmaker showed the intention to have the title of King exclusively be used by the Sovereign. And the title of Prince of Orange exclusively by the Heir.




Henri.

I did not know of this act, but it makes sence. though people might informally refer to Beatrix as Queen Mother after the abdication, anyhow..

[bartholomeus]

Originally Posted by Stefan

Bzut why was she then referred on the specialMemorialWebsite of the Royal House as princess and not as Queen.See here: The Dutch Royal House
And ifi remeberright the Priest referredto her during the funeral Service also as Princess Juliana not as Queen Juliana

I personally think Queen Juliana during her life never wanted to be Queen and the vicar (not a Priest) referred to that personal desire.

[Stefan]

Originally Posted by bartholomeus

I personally think Queen Juliana during her life never wanted to be Queen and the vicar (not a Priest) referred to that personal desire.

OK but that is what it made confusing.

[Marengo]

Not only the priest called her princess, but everybody did. In the press and 'on the street'. But after a few years most are using 'queen' at the moment. I personally prefer the Luxembourg situation too, but it can not be changed anymore (and any abdicating monarch who would change it would be considered a snob by public opinion).

[Iain]

When a monarch abdicates they give up the title as well as the office, only the widow of a king can become queen mother or dowager queen.

[bartholomeus]

Originally Posted by Iain

When a monarch abdicates they give up the title as well as the office, only the widow of a king can become queen mother or dowager queen.

This is not true, Belgian King Leopold III became HM King Leopold after abdicating. And the first William to become king of the Netherlands styled himself King William Frederick, Count of Nassauafter abdicating in 1840.

[bartholomeus]

Originally Posted by Stefan

OK but that is what it made confusing.

It might be confusing for foreigners, for Dutch people it isn't, :-)

[bartholomeus]

Originally Posted by Marengo

Not only the priest called her princess, but everybody did. In the press and 'on the street'. But after a few years most are using 'queen' at the moment. I personally prefer the Luxembourg situation too, but it can not be changed anymore (and any abdicating monarch who would change it would be considered a snob by public opinion).

I think Beatrix could 'get away with it', but she wont off course..

[ap3]

royalty in the news summarizes a recent de telegraaf article showing the crown princely couple are doing more engagements this year than last year, and beatrix is doing fewer, and that many see this as another sign of abdication sooner rather than later:
Dutch Crown Princely Couple Noticably Doing More Duties « Royalty in the News

[RoyalistRiley]

Originally Posted by ap3

royalty in the news summarizes a recent de telegraaf article showing the crown princely couple are doing more engagements this year than last year, and beatrix is doing fewer, and that many see this as another sign of abdication sooner rather than later:
Dutch Crown Princely Couple Noticably Doing More Duties « Royalty in the News

Just because the Queen is doing fewer engagements does not mean she is necessarily going to abdicate - it could just be that she is getting on a bit and wants to slow down while still continuing as monarch.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by ap3

royalty in the news summarizes a recent de telegraaf article showing the crown princely couple are doing more engagements this year than last year, and beatrix is doing fewer, and that many see this as another sign of abdication sooner rather than later:
Dutch Crown Princely Couple Noticably Doing More Duties « Royalty in the News

The Telegraaf,a pulp morning paper,had the article due to publication at the Royal House website,it wasn't theirs to figur out
allthough they love the feathers in their butt for scoops where there are none.

Het Koninklijk Huis

[Charlotte_Aster]

I really don't think Beatrix would abdicate soon, for the children of W-A and Maxima are still very young and Beatrix herself said that she was thankful for the time she spent with her family when she was the heir to the throne.

[chami]

It is quite common for the Dutch Monarch to stand down at some stage,but i think its a great pity,especailly as Beatrix is in such good health,and another odd thing is ,that when this happens,as in Beatrix Mothers case,they revert to the title Princess,and not Queen Mother.?

[chami]

PS/ As in the case of HM Queen Elizabeth11 of the UK,her mother was refered to as HM Queen Elizabeth in Court circles,but was commonly refered to as HM The Queen Mother,a title she apparently hated.