Prince Georg and Anne Bowes-Lyon

kalnel · #1 09-12-2009, 08:15 PM

Why didn't Georg of Denmark lose his title when he married Anne Bowes-Lyon? Even though she was of a noble British family, I'd think it would have been an unequal marriage...

NGalitzine · #2 09-29-2009, 06:21 PM

Supposedly it was because Elizabeth The Queen Mother was a Bowes Lyon , and if a Bowes Lyon was good enough for the King of GB they should be good enough for a minor Danish prince. In short the Danish court did not want to offend the British monarch and his consort.

I do wonder what title their children would have received had they had any. Would they be HH and prince or princess like their father or would they have been made count or countess of Rosenberg? How far in descent from the crown can the princely titles go in Denmark?

Viv · #3 10-06-2009, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine

Supposedly it was because Elizabeth The Queen Mother was a Bowes Lyon , and if a Bowes Lyon was good enough for the King of GB they should be good enough for a minor Danish prince. In short the Danish court did not want to offend the British monarch and his consort.

This is what I have read too!

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine

I do wonder what title their children would have received had they had any. Would they be HH and prince or princess like their father or would they have been made count or countess of Rosenberg? How far in descent from the crown can the princely titles go in Denmark?

IMO the matter would have been resolved by King Frederik IX, however my best bet is that the children would have been HH princes and princesses! Otherwise it would have been an issue with the British RF

! The Rosenborg-title was out of he question, it was used for those who entered unequal marriages.

Viv

maria-olivia · #4 10-06-2009, 04:51 AM

Did princess Anne divorce from Lady Anson and Lord Patrick Lichfield 's father or was she a widow ?

Viv · #5 10-06-2009, 08:37 AM

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Did princess Anne divorce from Lady Anson and Lord Patrick Lichfield 's father or was she a widow ?

She divorced viscount Anson in 1948!

Viv

Lumutqueen · #6 10-06-2009, 02:28 PM

Princess Anne of Denmark (4 December 1917 – 26 September 1980) was the mother of royal photographer, Patrick Anson, 5th Earl of Lichfield and cousin of Queen Elizabeth II.

Born Anne Ferelith Fenella Bowes-Lyon in Washington D.C. in 1917, she was the daughter of Hon. John Herbert Bowes-Lyon (a son of the 14th Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne and a brother of the future Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother) and his wife, the Hon. Fenella (a daughter of the 21st Baron Clinton).

On 28 April 1938, Anne married Thomas Anson. Thomas held the courtesy title of Viscount Anson and Anne was styled Viscountess Anson upon her marriage and they had two children:

(Thomas) Patrick John Anson (25 April 1939 – 11 November 2005), later the 5th Earl of Lichfield.
The Lady. Elizabeth Georgiana Anson (b. 7 June 1941), married Sir Geoffrey Shakerley, 6th Bt.

Anne and Thomas were divorced in 1948 and she subsequently married Prince George Valdemar of Denmark (a great-grandson of both Christian IX of Denmark and Oscar II of Sweden and Norway) on 16 September 1950 at Glamis Castle and became Princess Anne of Denmark. Anne died in 1980, aged 62, in London, of a myocardial infarction.

maria-olivia · #7 10-06-2009, 03:45 PM

Lutmutqueen , thanks a lot for the informations I didn't know. M-O.

Royal Fan · #8 10-22-2009, 02:22 PM

So Prince Georg was a cousin of Elizabeth II as well correct

Lumutqueen · #9 10-24-2009, 07:43 AM

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So Prince Georg was a cousin of Elizabeth II as well correct

Anne Bowes - Lyon was Queen Elizabeth; the Queen Mothers neice.

Queen Elizabeth was sister to Anne's father.

So he's a not real relation of the present queen but was in a way a nephew by marriage for the Queen Mother.

**MAfan** · #10 10-24-2009, 08:53 AM

Well, a real relation between Prince Georg and Queen Elizabeth II exist, since both them descend from King Christian IX of Denmark, being in this way second cousins once removed.
Christian IX - Alexandra - George V - George VI - Elizabeth II
Christian IX - Waldemar - Axel - Georg

Lumutqueen · #11 10-24-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MAfan

Well, a real relation between Prince Georg and Queen Elizabeth II exist, since both them descend from King Christian IX of Denmark, being in this way second cousins once removed.
Christian IX - Alexandra - George V - George VI - Elizabeth II
Christian IX - Waldemar - Axel - Georg

Okay second cousins once removed, but not an immediate relation.

**MAfan** · #12 10-24-2009, 09:02 AM

No, not very immediate, you're right...

NGalitzine · #13 08-26-2011, 09:28 PM

Did Georg & Anne play an active role in Danish life? I understand he lived abroad for a number of years as a military attache in Paris & London, but what was his career after he returned to Denmark. Did he have private wealth or receive a state income or did he earn other income such as a corporate director? Where did they live in Denmark?

**Zonk** · #14 08-26-2011, 09:33 PM

Can I just say that I love the name Fenalla. I don't know why but I do. Its sounds so aristocratic with the appropriate hyphenated English (or in this case Scottish) name.

Viv · #15 09-03-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine

Did Georg & Anne play an active role in Danish life? I understand he lived abroad for a number of years as a military attache in Paris & London, but what was his career after he returned to Denmark. Did he have private wealth or receive a state income or did he earn other income such as a corporate director? Where did they live in Denmark?

They attended the occasional royal event along with other members of the DRF branch. They spent most of their time abroad, and I don't know where their Danish home was, maybe it was an apartment in a wing of the 'lesser' royal palaces. I'm 99.9 % percent convinced that Georg didn't receive any state income apart from the one as a career officer! And If I may brag a little

: I once met Prince Georg briefly in the capacity of my job back then. He was a very kind and polite man.

Viv

kbk · #16 03-03-2012, 05:31 PM

Take a look at this. H.H. PRINCESS ANNE OF DENMARK SERVICE WESTMINSTER ABBEY | eBay http://www.eastgatecoins.co.za/pics/10sp3029A.jpg I wonder if Georg and Anne had any official status in Denmark after he lost his rights to the throne and became a prins af, not til Danmark.

NGalitzine · #17 03-03-2012, 05:50 PM

I don't think Georg lost any status when he married Anne. It was a fully approved marriage, probably due to Anne's status as the niece of Queen Elizabeth.

kbk · #18 03-04-2012, 02:54 PM

Their marriage was considered dynastic and there's no doubt about that. She enjoyed the title of Princess of (af) Denmark and was considered a member of the Royal House. But I meant the changes of law from 1953 that limited succession to the throne to the descendants of Christian X. Since then, Prince Georg and other minor members of the Danish royal house, including the Greek royals, were no longer potential heirs to the throne. As such, they became princes af (which we can translate as of), not til (which means literally to) Denmark. I think the afs have no official status within the realm.

kbk · #19 03-05-2012, 09:14 PM

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr....pzQUGhLqJWQ%3D

Viv · #20 03-08-2012, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by NGalitzine

I don't think Georg lost any status when he married Anne. It was a fully approved marriage, probably due to Anne's status as the niece of Queen Elizabeth.

By 1950 standards a Danish Prince marrying a bride of non- royal descent and a divorcee at that would have been demoted to 'count of Rosenborg', especially when he was not in line of succession!
The story goes ( I picked it up on another royalty forum several years ago! ) - that on hearing this, King George VI said something along the lines that ' if a Bowes-Lyon is good enough for me a Bowes-Lyon is good enough for a Danish prince'.

I cannot guarantee the veracity of the King's remark but it sounds credible IMO, also considering the often firm will of his consort! I just cannot imagine that Queen Elizabeth (later the Queen Mother) would ever accept her niece being reduced to a mere 'countess' in a continental royal family.

Viv