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10-27-2020, 03:35 AM
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Lovely pieces, muriel.
Do these items usually sell several times the estimated value? 20.000 Swiss Francs for the collet necklace seems a joke almost. It would make a nice tiara too.
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10-27-2020, 03:48 AM
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Lovely pieces, muriel.
Do these items usually sell several times the estimated value? 20.000 Swiss Francs for the collet necklace seems a joke almost. It would make a nice tiara too.
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It is CHF 200,000 and not 20,000!
I thought the guide prices on this auction were quite high compared to other ones I have seen. I am sure if one worked with old jewellers, a good collet necklace can be had for around US$ 100,000.
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10-27-2020, 03:59 AM
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But then "by descent". Does that imply it is still in the family ?
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No, the brooch was no longer in the family's possession, it had been auctioned before "Sotheby’s New York, 12-13 April 1999, lot 163."
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10-27-2020, 06:45 AM
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The diamond collet necklace is very lovely ,would be a nice addition to the Belgian empty chest.
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10-27-2020, 08:29 AM
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It is CHF 200,000 and not 20,000!
I thought the guide prices on this auction were quite high compared to other ones I have seen. I am sure if one worked with old jewellers, a good collet necklace can be had for around US$ 100,000.
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Sorry, I meant the other one, with the woven design. 18.000 Euros rather accessible. Let's hope King Philippe will buy some new items now his daughter will need something to wear too.
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10-27-2020, 09:03 AM
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Sorry, I meant the other one, with the woven design. 18.000 Euros rather accessible. Let's hope King Philippe will buy some new items now his daughter will need something to wear too.
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Yes, I agree, the pricing on the other one is not unreasonable.
My guess is that these old cut diamonds do not sparkle very much, and tend not to be very popular these days, hence depressing their prices.
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10-28-2020, 01:23 AM
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No, the brooch was no longer in the family's possession, it had been auctioned before "Sotheby’s New York, 12-13 April 1999, lot 163."
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I saw that as well which led me to believe that Sotheby's had acquired the brooch in 1999 as it had the same lot number as the current Geneva lot number. It's possible the brooch never sold or was anticipated for private sale but never left Sotheby's possession. I'm not sure we can assume it was actually sold and made it's way back to Sotheby's again. I believe they would have to reveal the most recent owner. Beautiful brooch nonetheless with an amazing history.
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10-28-2020, 02:30 AM
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10-29-2020, 05:27 AM
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https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26567/lot/14/
A PASTE AND DIAMOND GARLAND TIARA
£ 10,000 - 15,000
Even though it contains paste stone (hence the price is relatively a lot lower), its design is lovely and delicate.
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10-29-2020, 05:49 AM
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A really beautiful tiara none the less and would look wonderful on queen Mathilde or her daughter the duchess of Brabant.
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10-29-2020, 07:25 AM
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Lovely tiara!
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11-28-2020, 04:02 PM
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Beautiful floral design yes I can see it on Mathilde or Mary but sadly not Letizia of Spain.
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11-28-2020, 09:22 PM
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The Radziwill Tiara, worn by Princess Eugenie of Greece and Denmark at her 1938 marriage to Prince Dominick Radziwill, will be sold on 7 December in Chicago.
https://eurohistoryjournal.blogspot....y-worn-by.html
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11-28-2020, 11:13 PM
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May be historical but not the most attractive tiara I must say. 
The main diamonds on the piece aren't real diamonds any more, they are paste (the larger ones). The original diamonds were removed by the previous owner.
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11-29-2020, 12:40 AM
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Want to see it in tiara form, probably will be a pretty nice tiara.
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11-29-2020, 06:55 AM
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The description makes me want to find more about the couple. I know Queen Sofia of Spain is good friends with a Radziwill, my guess is that they are related through this marriage. Also want to look into the Habsurg connection.
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11-29-2020, 06:59 AM
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The description makes me want to find more about the couple. I know Queen Sofia of Spain is good friends with a Radziwill, my guess is that they are related through this marriage. Also want to look into the Habsurg connection.
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The Radziwill that you allude too is Tatiana Radziwill who married Jean Henri Fruchaud. She was a bridesmaid at Sofia and Juan Carlos' wedding and is widely believed to be one of Sofia's best friends together with Sofia's sister Irene.
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11-29-2020, 09:39 AM
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The Radziwill that you allude too is Tatiana Radziwill who married Jean Henri Fruchaud. She was a bridesmaid at Sofia and Juan Carlos' wedding and is widely believed to be one of Sofia's best friends together with Sofia's sister Irene.
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Princess Tatiana Radziwill is also queen Sofia's cousin and yes very close to both Sofia and Irene.
The Radziwill Tiara may not be my favourite but sad to see it being sold off.
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