Pavlos and Marie-Chantal and Family Current Events Part 9: January 2022 -

[Somebody]

Originally Posted by maria-olivia

Prince Pavlos wore his Father's Ring.

The one on his little finger? I already noticed it and thought it looked a bit weird but now I understand the meaning/significance.

[tamta]

Originally Posted by Adda

Following Konstantinos' passing one could guess that Pavlos would either get more involved or not. Thing is, he has waited too long to get seriously involved with Greece and most people would much prefer Nikolaos to be Head of the House, yes yes, he has no children, but Constantino-Alexios has not precisely been raised as a prince, he's a "normal" boy, it's never too late ofc.

I am also among those who would wish to see Nikolaos as head of the house. His greek is better, his wife more liikeable, and he looks more royal than a simple jet-setter..
MC is a waste of time

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by tamta

I am also among those who would wish to see Nikolaos as head of the house. His greek is better, his wife more liikeable, and he looks more royal than a simple jet-setter..

MC is a waste of time

I can say that before his father's passing and his funeral i had an idea of Pavlos as an Instagram / Disney / Hollywood prince.
But my opinion radically changed as he behaviored in excellent way as a real Head of family and of the Greek Royal House. If royalty existed in Greece he would be a good and capable King. But royalty is abolished.
So in the actual situation what can he offer? Impeccable behavior Yes, and then? Did he ever show that he tries to offer something in the country ? No. He might have secret important actions, but nothing is known by the people. He is immensely rich, but nothing goes to the Greek people. I'm not talking about money only, but also about help actions, charity foundations or other things. Nothing. Out of their participation in royal events ...white tie and tiara.. he is completely absent from any action which could associate him to our country.
Also Marie-Chantal: despite her dignity, what could she offer? She is CPrincess now for more than 25 years, what was her presence or added value to her supposed 2nd homeland? Nothing. Only a shop with kids clothes.
Also I found very strange her behavior at the Metropolis when she arrived escorting Queen Anne-Marie. Instead if staying and receiving her husband's official greeting (at this moment he was the Head of the royal House greeting his highest guest: the widowed Queen.
And MC did not stay and ran inside, obliging him to turn and look for her. I don't know the reason, but it was not appropriate.
The next member: Konstantinos-Alexios. No idea, but if he has been more influenced by his mother side...zero.
On the other side Nicolaos. Warm, human, active in actions related to the country, with personal involvement, completely part of the Greek environment. With an extremely approachable and active wife, which does not lose any occasion to praise Greece and declare her love for.

So for me no doubt : Nicolaos.

But... no fuss: Dynastic rules are strict especially for succession matters and.....Royalty is abolished In Greece.

[tihkon2]

I think MC and Pavlos are extremely realistic and have no interest in Greece or the Greek people, and why should they? Also, Pavlos isn't rich, his wife is. And she has no reason to waste her money on a country and people who don't like her and don't want her there anyway. Again, I think she and he are more than happy building their own family life and they seem very successful with that. As we know, the reason they go to high profile royal events is because they are extremely closely related to the thrones of Spain and Denmark. Sure, MC may even love playing royal dress up once or twice a year. That's fine. She doesn't have to kiss any Greek political asses and doesn't. Good for her I say. That's the beauty of their situation. They can do whatever they want and the ramblings and rumblings of anyone else about their "appropriateness" doesn't change the fact that they are rich and their children will be and they don't have to listen to anyone about how they "should" live their lives.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

I think MC and Pavlos are extremely realistic and have no interest in Greece or the Greek people, and why should they? Also, Pavlos isn't rich, his wife is. And she has no reason to waste her money on a country and people who don't like her and don't want her there anyway. Again, I think she and he are more happy building their own family life and they seem very successful with that. As we know, the reason they go to high profile royal events is because they are extremely closely related to the thrones of Spain and Denmark. Sure, MC may even love playing royal dress up once or twice a year. That's fine. She doesn't have to kiss any Greek asses and doesn't. Good for her I say. That's the beauty of their situation. They can do whatever they want and the ramblings and rumblings of anyone else about their "appropriateness" doesn't change the fact that they are rich and their children will be and they don't have to listen to anyone.

I think we should reframe some points.
MC is immensely rich but I read that CP Pavlos through his own business is very successful too, maybe initially financed by his father in law, but since it is successful he should have earned good money also. King Konstantine also was not poor, since he managed to finance a high life and a 5 kids family for almost 50 years. All this does not make Pavlos starving and being obliged to begging from his wife.
I also precised that I'm not talking about them donating money but more taking actions. If they don't want they don't have to.. just we are making comparison between the 2 eldest brothers.
Also neither CP Pavlos nor CP MC have to kiss anyone's anything.. just that by hearing Pavlos homelie during his father's funeral he was talking about more actions for the country than they seem to do in reality.
I repeat they are free of their choice... but this cannot stop people of doing the comparison.
As for the young generation, I would really understand that they don't have anything to expect from Greece. They are immensely rich and citizens of the world, why they should choose Greece? But like a delicate gesture they could maybe avoid publicizing themselves in social media as ....Greece especially in commercial field.


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[tihkon2]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

But like a delicate gesture they could maybe avoid publicizing themselves in social media as ....Greece especially in commercial field.

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That's the thing. They really do not have to make any "delicate" gestures and it does not matter one single bit if anyone at all thinks they should do this or that. Their money allows them to not have to care what any of us thinks. If they want to use "of Greece" in anything they want there is absolutely nothing anyone can do except maybe keep them out of Greece again. But I don't think MC or maybe even their children would care in the least.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

That's the thing. They really do not have to make any "delicate" gestures and it does not matter one single bit if anyone at all thinks they should do this or that. Their money allows them to not have to care what any of us thinks. If they want to use "of Greece" in anything they want there is absolutely nothing anyone can do except maybe keep them out of Greece again. But I don't think MC or maybe even their children would care in the least.

Yes they are very rich. But this does not mean that they should be fully indifferent abt other people's opinion. They are involved in commercial field, MC of course but also now MO, so to make their jobs run.. they are based on people.


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[tihkon2]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

Yes they are very rich. But this does not mean that they should be fully indifferent abt other people's opinion. They are involved in commercial field, MC of course but also now MO, so to make their jobs run.. they are based on people.


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I'm speaking only about in relation to Greece and their Greek titles. And using "of Greece" and not worrying what Greek monarchists or Greek politicians think is not hurting them in their careers or their happy family life.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

I'm speaking only about in relation to Greece and their Greek titles. And using "of Greece" and not worrying what Greek monarchists or Greek politicians think is not hurting them in their careers or their happy family life.

I'm not talking about Greek politicians neither about Greek royalists. Just about Greek people, who might not appreciate seing them make use of their title... but otherwise being absent. By absent I don't mean physically of financially, just sentimentaly.

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[tihkon2]

I think they have even less reason to think about or care about the opinion of Greek people who aren't royalists.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

I think they have even less reason to think about or care about the opinion of Greek people who aren't royalists.

If it was as you say, Pavlos would not have pronounced this Homélie as he did.

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[tihkon2]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

If it was as you say, Pavlos would not have pronounced this Homélie as he did.

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I may not have made it clear, but I will now. I believe Pavlos may care about some things because of his parents.

I believe Marie Chantal and their children do not worry about anything anyone in Greece may think or feel. And I believe they have every right to feel that way.

There we go. Hope that is clear.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by tihkon2

I may not have made it clear, but I will now. I believe Pavlos may care about some things because of his parents.

I believe Marie Chantal and their children do not worry about anything anyone in Greece may think or feel. And I believe they have every right to feel that way.

There we go. Hope that is clear.

Ok now that situation is split in 2 parts yes. Pavlos does definitely care, especially now he is the Head of the GRF.
The rest of the family care much much less, but not at all who knows. Just they are willing to have only the bright side.
I presume for rich people is frequent.

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[wartenberg7]

Originally Posted by tamta

I am also among those who would wish to see Nikolaos as head of the house. His greek is better, his wife more liikeable, and he looks more royal than a simple jet-setter..
MC is a waste of time

well, the system of the monarchy is simple and very clear about that: no make-a-wish, but the eldest son (nowadays eldest child) is the one and nobody else, regardless how suitable most people might find the person. Everything else is irrelevant or republican which is the opposite to monarchy.

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

well, the system of the monarchy is simple and very clear about that: no make-a-wish, but the eldest son (nowadays eldest child) is the one and nobody else, regardless how suitable most people might find the person. Everything else is irrelevant or republican which is the opposite to monarchy.

Correct.
In top of that we can't say that Pavlos is unsuitable. Just some of us prefer Nicolaos.


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[victor1319]

Originally Posted by wartenberg7

well, the system of the monarchy is simple and very clear about that: no make-a-wish, but the eldest son (nowadays eldest child) is the one and nobody else...

This might be the case for The Royal House (I don't know their House Laws.) but it is surely not the case for the institution of Greek Royalty!

They can create their Kingdom or Queendom in Greece however they want, if they want to! The people decide like 1905 for the Kingdom of Norway.

So, who would be a suitable KIng for Greece? Could be everybody...

I mean, the last Greek Royal House does not go back to Alexander the Great anyway! They were chosen somehow too.

[tommy100]

I think MC is astute enough to know Pavlos and their children don't have a close enough connection and experience of Greece themselves to be credible actual Royals in any way. More importantly I think she knows her children are all young, at difficult ages in their lives and thrusting them more into the lime light, especially in regard to Greece would not necessarily be good for them. It is clear from their social media posts that they lead the lives of the very rich young people they are - that is fine, but not so fine when you add in trying to be or look like actual reigning royals and all the scrutiny that brings. I don't think MC wants to put her kids in the position of being held accountable by the Greek establishment and people.

[fandesacs2003]

Theoretically Greece could reinstore Monarchy and chose another King. It happened when they chased King Othon (Wittelsbach) and they brought a Danish Prince ( George the 1st, grand-grand father of the just deceased King Konstantine)
So nothing impossible this side.
The most impossible is that Greeks would like to have King again.

[eya]

"Tomorrow Prince Pavlos departs from Greece for New York. In a brief conversation, he said that he will not give any interviews or make statements until the 40-day memorial service for King Constantine's death as it is his family's mourning period.

The memorial service for the late King will be held on Sunday 19 February after the Divine Liturgy at the Metropolitan Cathedral of Athens in the presence of the Synodal hierarchs, followed by a trisagion at the late King's tomb in Tatoi.

A second memorial service will follow in London, for all those who wished to attend but were unable to be in our country for the funeral service and burial of the King.
Both Memorial Services will be attended by all members of the Greek Royal Family.

Until the 40-day memorial service, Prince Pavlos will divide his time between New York, London and Greece, being close to his mother Queen Anne-Marie."

[oliver]

What surname could they use instead of "Greece"???