It's a 4th boy for Marie-Chantal, June 29 2008

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaDreamin

I have a friend who is Orthodox and she said the baby is usually baptized within 40 days after birth. But I know some Orthodox children who were not baptized until a year after birth so who knows.

Their baptismal ceremonies are very elaborate and beautiful.

In the Orthodox tradition you baptize a chid the first Summer after it's birth. So depending on it's date of birth, a baby could be 10 or 12 months old on his baptism. I believe that it was done for health reason, because the baby is fully immerged into water, and during winter it was a risk to get very sick.

Bu in any case they avoid the first 40 days also for health reasons, in the past the first 40 days of a babie's life were considered very delicates to get sick, antiobiotick did not exist.

All these traditions now have not real reason, because churches are heaten and antibioticks exist, so parents choose just a suitable period, that's it.

But in any case a summer period in more nice.

[principessa]

Aristidis Stavros - what an impressive and big name!!!

[morhange]

I personally don't like it. I was hoping for something a little more...royal.

[Odette]

Originally Posted by Stefan

But Mariy Olympis was younger at ther christening. I think it took place in December 1996 around 4-5 months after her birth. And also the christening of Pavlos and Alexia took place not to long after theri birth.

The 9 month or so range is not cast in stone. I was referring to generally what is the average age to have a baby naked immersed in water.
With regard to the royals,since calendars are most of the times are filled as far as a year ahead of time, a parent who wants a royal to be the Godparent has to schedule the baptism of their baby around those schedules.
Having said that, remember that Pavlos was born a month after the Junta took over and the young Monarchs wanted some reminder to the Greek nation of what hopes for the future the baby diadoch's birth brought. I have photos of him resting on that pillow on his mother's lap. These celebrations were the swan song of the GRF. sad to say.
Lastly with regards to the royals, I am sure they are getting different accomodations than us mere mortals, however the Church would never accept a non Greek Orthodox to baptise a G.O child. Therefore when I read that Prince Charles or Prince WIlliam are Godparents to Pavlos' children, this means they stood next to the GO Godparents as witnesses but not Godparents.

[greek101]

Originally Posted by principessa

Aristidis Stavros - what an impressive and big name!!!

How did you find out the name? It wasn't on the official website when I looked.

[Fashionista100]

Originally Posted by BELTRANEJA

Because the Brussels Convention states that European citizens can travel at any state of the European Union without a passport, for this reason Constatino can travel to Greece with a Danish passport.
But if he had the passport of the U.S.,Greece can prevent it from entering its territory
I think that Paul has Danish citizenship, so he travel to Greece without problems.

A US citizen can go to Greece at anytime. There is nothing preventing it. If a child is born on US soil it is automatically given US citizenship even if the parents are another nationality. There is a big effort to change this. If a child is born abroad, one of the parents must be a US citizen to obtain citizenship. Also, the child's birth must be registered with the nearest embassy or consulate in order to get citizenship. If you do not register your child they will not have citizenship.

I agree with many others I think she went to the US for medical care. The specialists who are top in their field are often in the US.

[Next Star]

Congrats to the royal family I was hoping that the crown princely would have
a girl instead they have another boy I am happy that mom and the baby is
doing fine.

[sgl]

Originally Posted by greek101

How did you find out the name? It wasn't on the official website when I looked.

The name was published in an article on WWD.com. If you scroll through the thread about possible baby names for Marie-Chantal's baby, you will find the link to the article. I don't know why the name is not listed on the GRF's website. Perhaps they are waiting for the christening.

[iowabelle]

Originally Posted by morhange

I personally don't like it. I was hoping for something a little more...royal.

Ditto. Or even Aristotle rather than Aristides.

And wasn't there a British TV show which referred to Prince Philip as "Stavros"?

Maybe they had one of those baby books, "2001 Bad Greek Baby Names"!

[crm2317]

Is it just me or does the name not flow as well as the baby's siblings names. Aristidis Stavros just doesn't roll off the tongue as well?

[Stefanie]

I suppose the children are called like this: Olympia, Alex, Andy, Kim and now we have a little Ari.
Can´t imagine that MC speaks out the full name of her children in the correct greek version. IMO even native Greeks will grin when they come to know that Pavlos has such a faible for "old" Greek names. Can´t imagine that little greek children have such kind of "old fashioned" names like MC and Pavlos´ kids.... The former Greek royal family seems so keen on keeping traditions that it´ s starting to become a little ridiculous slowly.

[acdc1]

I guess that it's a nice name, and of course very Greek, but it just doesn't roll of the tongue easily, at least for American speakers. I think that all of the children's names are mouth-fulls, but this is plain impossible for me to say! Well, just as long as they are healthy and happy, it's good.

[LauraMCS]

Originally Posted by Stefanie

I suppose the children are called like this: Olympia, Alex, Andy, Kim and now we have a little Ari.
Can´t imagine that MC speaks out the full name of her children in the correct greek version. IMO even native Greeks will grin when they come to know that Pavlos has such a faible for "old" Greek names. Can´t imagine that little greek children have such kind of "old fashioned" names like MC and Pavlos´ kids.... The former Greek royal family seems so keen on keeping traditions that it´ s starting to become a little ridiculous slowly.

It's more like Olympia, Tino, Aki, Odi and probably little Ari.

[Odette]

Originally Posted by LauraMCS

It's more like Olympia, Tino, Aki, Odi and probably little Ari.

LOL. In one of her many interviews MC said, after Achilleas's birth that she calls him Achilles (French version)while his father calls him Achilleas as the Greeks do.
I suppose except for Constantinos, (which they more or less had to name their first son) they chose names as far from the GRF as possible since all the previous Kings except for Pavlos had some issue or another while reigning in Greece.

[iakynthi]

Come on,ladies!Pavlos and MC have found a good way with their babies'names in order to make a good impression and show their "huge love" for the country.If they really loved Greece,MC and the kids should speak greek f l u e n t l y.Names are just a few words,so that's pretty easy,don't you think?

[LauraMCS]

Their kids have gone to Greek school since the beginning so they have been learning to speek Greek for years.

[iakynthi]

But we still don't know how they really feel about our country.Maybe they have mixed feelings,because Greeks never really liked them and we are still very suspicious about their true intentions.

[Warren]

This is not the thread to discuss Greek attitudes to the Royal Family.

thanks.

Warren
GRF moderator

[fandesacs2003]

Originally Posted by Odette

however the Church would never accept a non Greek Orthodox to baptise a G.O child. Therefore when I read that Prince Charles or Prince WIlliam are Godparents to Pavlos' children, this means they stood next to the GO Godparents as witnesses but not Godparents.

WRONG.
Orthodox Church accept Catholic person to be a godfather, in the same way that they accept a Catholic to marry in the Orthodox way, without being converted.

As regards Protestands or Agglicans I do not really now, but witnesses do not exist in the Othodox baptism, so they should be acting as Godfathers.

Do not forget that Prince Philip (Charles father) is son of Greek Orthodox, and he should have been baptised i the orthodox way. so it might make a difference for Prince Charles.

[Odette]

Originally Posted by fandesacs2003

WRONG.
Orthodox Church accept Catholic person to be a godfather, in the same way that they accept a Catholic to marry in the Orthodox way, without being converted.

As regards Protestands or Agglicans I do not really now, but witnesses do not exist in the Othodox baptism, so they should be acting as Godfathers.

Do not forget that Prince Philip (Charles father) is son of Greek Orthodox, and he should have been baptised i the orthodox way. so it might make a difference for Prince Charles.

I am sorry to contradict your statement, but I know what I said is a fact.
Catholics can marry a Greek Orthodox without the need to convert and they sign a commitment at the time to raise their children Greek Orthodox.
When it comes to Baptism, only a Greek Orthodox (giving the proof of their own baptism in the GO Church) can baptise a child. The parents (same as MC & Pavlos have done) can choose another 3-4 non Greek Orthodox to stand by as witnesses but the Nonos (God father) or Nona (God mother) have to be baptised in the GO Church themselves.
Prince Charles is a member of the Anglican Church and he could not have been the one "oiling" any of Pavlos's children. He stood next to Pia and they were looking on.