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I think Stéphanie's kids never attended Rose Ball. I doubt if they even attended Red Cross Ball. They only attend the Monte Carlo Circus festival.
They haven't and Stephanie hasn't attended since her father's death.
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It was so cool to see Afra Casiraghi Marchetti at the ball. And Charlotte and Dimitri of course. I suppose it was Dimitri's first ball? (I mean, I know his mother attended in the past, so maybe he attended a long time ago? But I'm sure if that was the case, someone would have found that photo evidence by now.)
Who is Afra Casiraghi Marchetti? Is she in any pic?
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Old 03-26-2018, 03:39 PM
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Who is Afra Casiraghi Marchetti? Is she in any pic?
She is Stefano's niece, daughter of his older brother Marco. She's the one in the silver and black striped dress in the group shot with Charlotte and Pierre and friends.
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There was only one Princess of course...
Two princesses, yes? Caroline and Alexandra
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Old 03-27-2018, 03:56 AM
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Here's the official gallery shared by the Palace:


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Old 03-27-2018, 04:44 AM
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Two princesses, yes? Caroline and Alexandra
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It is THE Casiraghi-Hannover and Karl Lagersfeld's Event. I wonder how much the guests had to pay ?
I thought one ticket costs € 800. And there is room for 1000 guests. So the first revenue is € 800 000 but then comes the costs...

Le Bal de la Rose a lieu chaque printemps, il est une ressource financière capitale pour la fondation (€ 266 000), ainsi que les donations (€ 214 730).

Meaning: € 800 000 - € 266 000 = € 534 000 for the costs of one evening with Monsieur Karl!



That is why I hate this sort of fundraisers. Just donate 800 Euro of your wealth, folks.... Then the Fondation Princesse Grace would have had € 534 000 more to donate!



Source: http://www.fondation-psse-grace.mc/fr/chiffres.html
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I thought one ticket costs € 800. And there is room for 1000 guests. So the first revenue is € 800 000 but then comes the costs...

Le Bal de la Rose a lieu chaque printemps, il est une ressource financière capitale pour la fondation (€ 266 000), ainsi que les donations (€ 214 730).

Meaning: € 800 000 - € 266 000 = € 534 000 for the costs of one evening with Monsieur Karl!



That is why I hate this sort of fundraisers. Just donate 800 Euro of your wealth, folks.... Then the Fondation Princesse Grace would have had € 534 000 more to donate!



Source: http://www.fondation-psse-grace.mc/fr/chiffres.html
Yes, but you miss one important point. That most of these people who paid 800 euros, 1600 for couple, they wanted to dress their best outfits and jewellery and to appear in one high profile event with the Monaco Princely family. As a side effect part of their money goes to a good action, but the main goal of spending this money is NOT philanthropy, is vanity and social appearance.
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Yes, but you miss one important point. That most of these people who paid 800 euros, 1600 for couple, they wanted to dress their best outfits and jewellery and to appear in one high profile event with the Monaco Princely family. As a side effect part of their money goes to a good action, but the main goal of spending this money is NOT philanthropy, is vanity and social appearance.
Absolutely true. Most of these folks are so awesomely rich. The ticket of € 800 is possibly the cheapest part of the evening, as they need a new dress for madame, a new suit for monsieur, jewels, shoes, hairdresser, the chauffeur.

They could simply donate € 800 to the Fondation Princesse Grace while just relaxing on their mega-yacht in the Méditerannée.

€ 534 000 of € 800 000 = 2/3rd of all revenue goes to the costs for a fancy ball...

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Old 03-27-2018, 10:45 AM
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Are the Casiraghi for you a princely family ?
I totally agree your posts.
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For people looking for glitter and fame, yes they are. They will be more fascinated to appear to an event where was Grace Kelly's grandaughter, a beautiful woman and "it" girl, than with a descendent of the Austria imperial family, or or a German Margravin or Fürstin , which actually a few people know.
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Old 03-27-2018, 12:20 PM
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With only a couple of exceptions, I care more about the Casiraghi/Grimaldi/Hanovers than any of the other families on this Forum, most whom, to be completely honest strike me as not all that "Royal" any more anyway.

Tragedy, glamour, history...Monaco has it all as far as I am concerned.
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with getting dressed up and having fun socialising whilst raising money - for goodness sake, why is it necessary to be sanctimonious about raising money for charity? Charity and an expensive evening aren't mutually exclusive - I utterly disagree that it's all about vanity and showing off.
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:25 PM
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with getting dressed up and having fun socialising whilst raising money - for goodness sake, why is it necessary to be sanctimonious about raising money for charity? Charity and an expensive evening aren't mutually exclusive - I utterly disagree that it's all about vanity and showing off.

Of course it is pure vanity. € 800.000,-- revenue. € 266.000,-- for the charity.



"Honey... it is the Bal de la Rose next week.

Tickets to Nice - check

Transfer to Monte Carlo - check

Accomodation in the Hôtel de Paris - check

The dress from Schiaparelli - check

The jewels from Van Cleef & Arpels - check

The shoes from Manolo Blahnik - check

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Oh yes, that ticket for 800 bucks - check"

Real charity is just donate and be silent.
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Old 03-27-2018, 02:31 PM
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Of course it is pure vanity. € 800.000,-- revenue. € 266.000,-- for the charity.



"Honey... it is the Bal de la Rose next week.

Tickets to Nice - check

Transfer to Monte Carlo - check

Accomodation in the Hôtel de Paris - check

The dress from Schiaparelli - check

The jewels from Van Cleef & Arpels - check

The shoes from Manolo Blahnik - check

[...]

Oh yes, that ticket for 800 bucks - check"

Real charity is just donate and be silent.
No it isn't - charity is about giving money to causes that need it. If people want to spend 5 times as much on themselves with their own money and have fun it doesn't alter the fact that a lot of money has been raised for a good cause. It's still money for charity - the cold hard cash is still "real". And keeping silent about it doesn't get you an extra place in heaven - if you want to say you were there then go for it.
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Old 03-27-2018, 04:09 PM
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with getting dressed up and having fun socialising whilst raising money - for goodness sake, why is it necessary to be sanctimonious about raising money for charity? Charity and an expensive evening aren't mutually exclusive - I utterly disagree that it's all about vanity and showing off.
I agree. Most all high end charity is about the socializing and having a good time. If there was just the ball then the charity money would never happen so it's an extra plus. (I'm an under-the-skin Marxist who's been around this kind of stuff for many years. It's not a worthwhile area where one should expend one's outrage. Think about it. JMO)
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I agree. Most all high end charity is about the socializing and having a good time. If there was just the ball then the charity money would never happen so it's an extra plus. (I'm an under-the-skin Marxist who's been around this kind of stuff for many years. It's not the place one should expend one's outrage. Think about it. JMO)
Of course it would happen. All over Europe are countless charities. They are fund with donations, gifts, legates, collections, investments, inheritances, state allowances, etc. From the Red Cross to the Order of Malta. From the Dogs Shelter in Málaga to the Save the Seals in Denmark. Just with money from you and me. No Oscar de la Renta dress in sight. No digesting the lobster away with Moët Pommery Rosé champagne. Just donate because it is your feeling which says: "Yes, that is a cause I would like to support!". Not because I can walk down a red carpet and pay off my conscience with a lousy ticket for a fancy ball.
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Of course it would happen. All over Europe are countless charities. They are fund with donations, gifts, legates, collections, investments, inheritances, state allowances, etc. From the Red Cross to the Order of Malta. From the Dogs Shelter in Málaga to the Save the Seals in Denmark. Just with money from you and me. No Oscar de la Renta dress in sight. No digesting the lobster away with Moët Pommery Rosé champagne. Just donate because it is your feeling which says: "Yes, that is a cause I would like to support!". Not because I can walk down a red carpet and pay off my conscience with a lousy ticket for a fancy ball.
World of judgement there. I can go out and have a good time AND support a charity that appeals to me - I'm not appeasing my conscience, I can do both at the same time.
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Of course it would happen. All over Europe are countless charities. They are fund with donations, gifts, legates, collections, investments, inheritances, state allowances, etc. From the Red Cross to the Order of Malta. From the Dogs Shelter in Málaga to the Save the Seals in Denmark. Just with money from you and me. No Oscar de la Renta dress in sight. No digesting the lobster away with Moët Pommery Rosé champagne. Just donate because it is your feeling which says: "Yes, that is a cause I would like to support!". Not because I can walk down a red carpet and pay off my conscience with a lousy ticket for a fancy ball.
The Principality of Monaco-is...the Principality of Monaco.

It's main and most legendary feature is a Casino for heaven's sake, and a decadent lavish beyond description hotel that once served as home away from home to mythical figures like Winston Churchill and Aristotle Onassis.

You cannot truly expect some little low key charity raffle in a place like Monaco which thrives on it's image of lobster and truffles and champagne and billionaires and would probably lose it's raison d'etre without those things?

I am surprised that you of all posters would need to be reminded.
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The question was how much this whole circus raises for the Fondation Princesse Grace.
1 000 tickets à € 800 makes a nice sum of € 800 000

This fancy evening however costs quite a lot, so after emptying the bottle of Château Pichon-Longueville Comtesse de Lalande 1990, the applause is for a cheque of € 266 000.

Not my style. That may be clear.
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No it isn't - charity is about giving money to causes that need it. If people want to spend 5 times as much on themselves with their own money and have fun it doesn't alter the fact that a lot of money has been raised for a good cause. It's still money for charity - the cold hard cash is still "real". And keeping silent about it doesn't get you an extra place in heaven - if you want to say you were there then go for it.
This is true. And we assume the "revenue" for the charity comes only from the tickets when a lot of times, this is also the chance for officers of the charity to corner rich people and extract further donations from them. Lots of things happen in these kinds of events also that are harder to quantify.
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