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Old 08-13-2018, 03:35 PM
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I know about the Urach-Württemberg marriage. But the article qoutes him as saying bhis ancestor Guillaume II. of Urach which is obviously wrong.

And even if Wilhelm II. is his ancestor, there are senior male-line descendants of the Urachs alive, so it should be their right (if there was any).


I looked it up:

This count is the son of

Isabelle de Caumont La Force (1952), fille d'Élisabeth de Castellane et de Jean de Caumont La Force, lui-même fils d'Armand de Caumont La Force et d'Anne-Marie Guigues de Moreton de Chabrillan (fille de Félicité de Lévis-Mirepoix et d'Aynard Guigues de Moreton de Chabrillan, lui-même fils d'Anne de Croÿ et de Fortuné Guigues de Moreton de Chabrillan, lui-même fils de Jules Guigues de Moreton de Chabrillan et de Joséphine de La Tour du Pin, elle-même fille d'Honorine de Monaco et de René III de La Tour du Pin) ; mariée à Aymar de Vincens de Causans.


So he is one of the many descendants of the Honorine-line which is second to the Florestine-line of the Urach princes and princesses and their descedants (and there are so many!)


Sooo far removed from the actual throne of Monaco.
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Old 08-13-2018, 03:48 PM
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Prince Joseph was only a second son,his older brother succeeded his father as Honoré IV of Monaco and he had 2 sons both who became Sovereign Princes of Monaco...his claim is over 200 years late!

The German relatives have a far stronger claim via Princess Florestine of Monaco.
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Old 08-14-2018, 06:27 PM
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Aristocrat sues France for €351m in row over Monaco throne
Louis de Causans says relatives were tricked out of line of succession by ‘sleight of hand’.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-monaco-throne
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:01 PM
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Lately, I have been reading websites about Princess Stephanie and many of them refer to her as Countess of Polignac. Is this correct?
I don't see how she could be. Pierre de Polignac was not the heir apparent of the Polignacs and only used Count as a courtesy title, and furthermore he gave up his last name and assumed the name of Grimaldi by a sovereign ordinance when he married.

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So he is one of the many descendants of the Honorine-line which is second to the Florestine-line of the Urach princes and princesses and their descedants (and there are so many!)
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The German relatives have a far stronger claim via Princess Florestine of Monaco.
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Even if he was in the line of succession he'd be so far down he'd have no official role in Monaco.
The article in Le Parisien says that the Urach line renounced.

http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-diver...18-7850526.php
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:38 PM
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In 1924 Wilhelm, the son of Florestine Duchess of Urach born Princess of Monaco along with the other adult descendants of his mother, renounced their dynastic rights.But apparently they only renounced with a French cousin in mind, which would take away the objections of France that Monaco would come "in German hands".
The French and the monégasques "out-tricked" these lawful heirs in favour of Prince Rainier's mother.

The comte Louis de Vincens de Causans however has no claim because he indeed is genealogically "higher" but Monaco has a male-preferred succession, so not his mother Isabelle de Caumont La Force but her younger brother Xavier (the claimant's uncle) would have been Prince de Monaco.



Honorine Grimaldi, princesse de Monaco (1784-1879)
x Aynard marquis La Tour du Pin - La Charce (1806-1855)
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Charlotte La Tour du Pin - La Charce


Charlotte des marquises La Tour du Pin - La Charce (1805-1885)
x Charles Fortuné Guigues de Moreton, comte de Chabrillan (1796-1863)
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Camille Fortuné Guigues de Moreton de Chabrillan


Camille Fortuné Guigues de Moreton, comte de Chabrillan (1828-1900)
x Anne-Françoise princesse de Croÿ (1831-1887)
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Aynard Guigues de Moreton de Chabrillan


Aynard Guigues de Moreton, comte de Chabrillan, 10e marquis de Chabrillan (1869-1950)
Le Prince de Monaco 1922-1950
x Félicité des ducs de Lévis-Mirepoix (1874-1948)
=
Anne-Marie Guigues de Moreton de Chabrillan


Anne-Marie Guigues des marquises de Moreton de Chabrillan (1894-1983)
La Princesse de Monaco 1950-1983
x Armand comte de Caumont-La Force (1881-1950)
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Jean-Bertrand de Caumont-La Force


Jean-Bertrand comte de Caumont-La Force (1920-1986)
Le Prince de Monaco 1983-1986
x Élisabeth-Louise des marquises de Castellane (1928-1991)
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Olivier-Armand de Caumont-La Force (1949-2003 - no issue)
Isabelle-Yvonne comtesse de Vincens de Causans née de Caumont-La Force (1952) - the mother of the present claimant
Cordélia-Louise de Foucauld de Bodard de La Jacopière née de Caumont-La Force (1955-1995)
Laurence-Marie de Caumont-La Force (1961)
Xavier-Marie de Caumont-La Force (1963)


Xavier-Marie comte de Caumont-La Force (1963)
Le Prince de Monaco (since 1986)
x Corinne des seigneurs Bourru de Lamotte (1954)
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Henri de Caumont-La Force (1991)
Hadrien de Caumont-La Force (1994)
Antoine de Caumont-La Force (1998)



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Wilhelm Karl, Duke of Urach was also offered the throne as King of Lithuania in 1918 but that came to nothing.

By his wife Amalie in Bavaria they had 9 children plenty of heirs and spare for Monaco!
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Old 08-18-2018, 02:17 PM
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I don't see how she could be. Pierre de Polignac was not the heir apparent of the Polignacs and only used Count as a courtesy title, and furthermore he gave up his last name and assumed the name of Grimaldi by a sovereign ordinance when he married.







The article in Le Parisien says that the Urach line renounced.

http://www.leparisien.fr/faits-diver...18-7850526.php
Yes, they did but the Count de Lausand isn't part of the Urach line. The claim is as absurd as if the Margrave of Baden would sue Sweden for compensation for his ancestors losing Sweden.
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Wilhelm Karl, Duke of Urach was also offered the throne as King of Lithuania in 1918 but that came to nothing.

By his wife Amalie in Bavaria they had 9 children plenty of heirs and spare for Monaco!
No because he and all his descendants from his mother Princess Florentine de Monaco renounced their monegasque rights, so that the whole Urach line is no longer on the picture. It would have gone to the line of his great aunt Princess Honorine de Monaco. That was their purpose. Instead Rainier's mother came in the picture.

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Yes, they did but the Count de Lausand isn't part of the Urach line. The claim is as absurd as if the Margrave of Baden would sue Sweden for compensation for his ancestors losing Sweden.
The Urach line has renounced. The comte has a claim from the Honorine line but he has to give way to an uncle and three cousins, if we apply the male-preferred succesion rules. See the genealogy above.
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The Urach line has renounced. The comte has a claim from the Honorine line but he has to give way to an uncle and three cousins, if we apply the male-preferred succesion rules. See the genealogy above.
I know, if you read my posts earlier in the thread you'll see that I'm perfectly aware of the intricacies of the Monegasque succession and the descendants of Prince Honore III.
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Old 08-18-2018, 03:32 PM
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I know, if you read my posts earlier in the thread you'll see that I'm perfectly aware of the intricacies of the Monegasque succession and the descendants of Prince Honore III.

But you stated that the claim is absurd because the comte is not from the Urach line. That is correct. But that line is no longer in play since the renouncation of the "German" line in favour of their French cousins. The comte is from the "French cousins" line and therefore his claim is not thát absurd. It has zero chance, but it is not without any reasoning.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:06 PM
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This "Causans" case makes the Grimaldi look like usurpers.
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The Palace shared some photos of yesterday's Changing of the Guard at 11:55 am as the Carabiniers officially changed from their white summer uniforms to their blue winter uniforms:


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Has anyone ever met the casiraghis? Or stories of anyone who has ever met them? Particularly Charlotte. She's my favorite and I'd love to know what she like in real life.
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Last year it was announced that the 41st edition of the Monegasques Annals would be the last one, but now the series continues:

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Grimaldi House Law

What are the house laws of the Grimaldi family? Multiple times in the constitution, it refers to House Law of the Sovereign Family. Where can we find these?
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As the 'bal de la Rose' , the rolex Monte Carlo Masters of tennis which would take place on april from april11th to april 18th are canceled
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