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Old 12-27-2020, 12:59 PM
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It was a hoax.You don't have to get this str8,it is of nobodies business.Period.
No Katrianna,it's no-ones business to go into details of a sexual nature,
but darn,I hope they had a good time,and as long they didn't scream the roof from my place,no-one cares.!
If your comments refer to the victims of the killings committed by Mr. Bruinsma, then I cannot agree. And thank you to Katrianna for attempting to get the facts straight.
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Old 12-27-2020, 01:33 PM
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Mabel was stalking Mark Rutte and demanded to be taken to his hotel room? All of this sounds pretty bad, to be honest.
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Old 12-27-2020, 03:02 PM
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The story with that Mafia guy is old news. Somebody must be writing a book und it is DOA before it even hits the shelves. So a juicy story about a member of the RF will always sell no matter how old the story is or if it even is true. Chasing the now PM Mark Rutte give me a break. Putting negative light on someone always sells. The trues may be boring, so add some spice to make it sound good.
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Old 12-27-2020, 03:14 PM
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If these salacious allegations are untrue then why isn’t there a court injunction regarding publication or a libel case?
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Old 12-27-2020, 03:17 PM
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The story with that Mafia guy is old news. Somebody must be writing a book und it is DOA before it even hits the shelves. So a juicy story about a member of the RF will always sell no matter how old the story is or if it even is true. Chasing the now PM Mark Rutte give me a break. Putting negative light on someone always sells. The trues may be boring, so add some spice to make it sound good.
It wasn't the writer who publicized it nor his publisher. The writer doesn't even mention the PM's name but just references his role at that time 'secretary of social affairs who was previously JOVD chair'. Moreover, the book has been available for sale since December 8; and it is only because one of the readers put this specific part (which is only a short paragraph as you can see in the link I shared earlier) on Twitter that it was picked up. I don't think he will sell even one additional book. So, your accusation that it was done to 'sell more books' doesn't correspond with the facts.

And I'm afraid that this behavior of Mabel spending lots of time with 'important men' does correspond with other stories we've heard about her in her 20s. She was clearly focused on 'getting higher up' and didn't shy away from dubious contacts. This specific link to Mark Rutte hasn't been made but suggestions of them starting a relationship aren't new. So, while this might be a dramatized version of what happened, I don't think it is a complete fantasy. After all, if you are willing to hang out with one of the most famous and influential criminals (and that's even without touching upon her supposed affair or at least close relationship with the married Bosnian UN ambassador Sacirbey, accused of embezzling $ 600,000 into the account of the Bosnian Mission to the UN during the 2000), what aren't you willing to do...

I personally think the completely illogical change of surname from her father's surname (who died when she was 9 years old) to her step-father's surname (whom her mother only ad been married to for relatively short time) had something to do with the perceived status of 'Wisse Smit' compared to 'Los'. I don't think she or her in-laws would appreciate it if her daughters did the same if she was ever to marry someone else.

N.B. I do think she is very talented and has done great work with the Elders and especially the Girls not Brides campaign but that doesn't mean that she also was clearly ambitious and looking out for herself in her attempts to climb up on the social ladder (which she successfully did) and seemingly willing to do so without certain boundaries of what many would consider acceptable behavior.
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Old 12-27-2020, 03:27 PM
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For those less familiar with her story. This article by NRC might be an interesting start.
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Old 12-27-2020, 04:50 PM
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Just read the article posted by "Somebody". It was an eyeopener for me. I am old enough to remember some of these people, would not like any of them as my friends, or be seen with them. Yes Mable is very smart and talented, some of these men are powerful and certainly to stay away from. She Mable has done lots of good things with children, not brides the elders and other charities, she supports. But any of these man are some I would not want to be seen with. Did not know about this article. Thank you for posting it.
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:15 PM
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This has been an interesting read - I was completely unaware that Mabel's history was anything like this!
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:22 PM
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I thought it was pretty well known that she had a controversial past which was why John Friso had to step out of the succession when he married her
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:23 PM
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I thought it was pretty well known that she had a controversial past which was why John Friso had to step out of the succession when he married her
Remember that many of us here at TRF have found out about the European royals via the forums. We're not expected to have old knowledge immediately!
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:30 PM
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That's where I've found out most of my knowledge of non UK royals....
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Old 12-28-2020, 07:49 PM
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This article is very interesting, so I get to know the story of Princess Mabel.
She really has a controversial past.
I didn't know it was Princess Laurentien who presented Mabel to Friso.
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Old 12-28-2020, 08:07 PM
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Also rather bizarre: 'the world' got to know about her at the funeral of prince Claus when she joined the family in the catacomb for the 'interment'. The others were queen Beatrix, his sons and their wives and his 5 living sisters.
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Old 12-28-2020, 09:04 PM
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Every time the subject of Mabel's past comes up, I have to wonder if there is more than we know about why Beatrix permitted that marriage to go forward, with or without Friso losing his place in the succession. Something just always seemed off about the whole thing.

But who knows? (We never will.) For their daughters' sake, I hope they're all happy now.
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Old 12-28-2020, 09:14 PM
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Every time the subject of Mabel's past comes up, I have to wonder if there is more than we know about why Beatrix permitted that marriage to go forward, with or without Friso losing his place in the succession. Something just always seemed off about the whole thing.

But who knows? (We never will.) For their daughters' sake, I hope they're all happy now.
You are aware that prince Friso sadly passed away in 2013, one and a half year after he was left in a coma (later turning into a state of minimal conscious) after an avalanche?!

Princess Mabel has clearly kept her place within the family and both women seemed to have depended a lot on each other in dealing with the tragedy of first his accident, the stressful period afterwards and finally in the loss of their beloved son and husband.

And queen Beatrix knew better than not to permit her son to marry the woman he had chosen; her sister had done so without her parents' permission... So, I don't think she had any illusions she could 'forbid' her son from marrying the one he chose. Moreover, Mabel had been supporting the family in prince Claus' final years, so that also created a strong bond. Nonetheless, she seemed to have been taken by surprise when the 'Bruinsma affair' came to light.
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Old 12-28-2020, 10:14 PM
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Of course I know the story of what happened to Friso. That really doesn't have anything to do with Mabel's past or why Beatrix would have permitted the marriage.

I don't think Beatrix's sister's experience would have come into play, either -- the outcome for Friso and Irene was the same in that they were married and lost their places in the succession.

Many people noted at the time of the wedding that Friso didn't seem that enthusiastic about the marriage, so I doubt "forbidding" it would have been a problem for him.
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:59 AM
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So why did he marry her? If he wasn't passionate about her and she was controversial... it all seems very odd.
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Old 12-29-2020, 04:11 AM
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Any unenthousiastic behavior of the prince in front of a camera should probably be explained as him not being enthousiastic about having a camera focussed on himself.

Although Queen Beatrix liked all her daughters-in-law it has always been said that Mabel is a favourite. The Queen -who is claimed to be an ambitious person herself- was impressed by Mabel's resumé.

Theoretically I do not think the monarch can forbid a marriage. Permission is only needed from parlament, not from the monarch. In this case it was actually the government who refused to put the law for permission up for a vote in parlament. Effectively saying that the government did not support the match. The situation was handled very amateuristically by the then prime minister JP Balkenende.
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Old 12-29-2020, 04:40 AM
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You can't really forbid an adult from getting married (at least where Friso and Mabel lived) all you can do is show that there will be official consequences if the match is disapproved of, in this case Friso losing his place in the royal house and succession.

As for him not being enthusiastic, apart from maybe not likely publicity as Margeno said many people appear more solemn and serious on their wedding because it's a big commitment.

If he didn't want to marry her he could have broken up with her and left them both free to find other people.
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Old 12-29-2020, 04:58 AM
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You can't really forbid an adult from getting married (at least where Friso and Mabel lived) all you can do is show that there will be official consequences if the match is disapproved of, in this case Friso losing his place in the royal house and succession.

As for him not being enthusiastic, apart from maybe not likely publicity as Margeno said many people appear more solemn and serious on their wedding because it's a big commitment.

If he didn't want to marry her he could have broken up with her and left them both free to find other people.
Possibly if they'd gone so far, he could not break up wiht her without looking bad, but perhaps he was bothered by the fear that her past would come out. However if she has such louche connextions how come she managed to get to a place where the wife (or was it girlfriend) of another prince was a friend? and if Mabel is a favourite daughter in law of the queen it again sounds pretty odd..
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