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Old 09-20-2020, 12:42 AM
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I compared a photo of Stephanie in infancy to her baby son and I agree...the two are almost identical. Except that Prince Charles has his father's mouth.

I also caught the video clip where Cardinal Hollerich sprinkled the baby with holy water and, speaking directly to him in French, pronounced the gesture to be "in remembrance of your baptism". ( It's the clip where Stephanie can be seen making the Sign of the Cross) The cardinal then traced the Cross on Charles' forehead.

So maybe Sancia and Countessmeout called it. It's possible that the actual Rite of Baptism took place before today, undoubtedly his jittery first time parents did not want to risk leaving their infant unbaptized indefinitely during a pandemic. I always found it unlikely that the uber Catholic Nassau and de Lannoy families would delay the baptism 4 months.

Perhaps today was the public celebration of the past event, something Charles's compatriots could feel a part of?

COVID has been a definite game changer in so many ways.
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Old 09-20-2020, 03:08 AM
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What i noticed in the Video from inside the Chuch there was no baptismal fond to be seen and ther Kardinal only sprinkled a bit water on Charles and not really over his Head as at christening is done
It also once happened for Archduchess Gloria the youngest daughter of AD Karl and AD Francesca that she had an emergency christening after her birth and at a later point another Service took place where the extended Family and the Godparents attended.
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Old 09-20-2020, 03:10 AM
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Appreciation to those knowledgeable in the Catholic faith for further information and insight regarding Prince Charles Baptism.

https://www.rtl.lu/lifestyle/news/a/1577167.html
I used google to translate excerpts of this rtl.lu article from Luxembourgish to English. Granted someone native in Luxembourgish would have been preferred.

"At 3 pm they were ordered to Clierf and the abbey for a "Mass of grace for the baptism of SAR the Prince Charles with the complementary rites of the baptism", according to the official title of Saturday's festivities. At noon, baptized Prince Charles is already, by the cardinal." The name of the mass is clear but the noon vs 3pm is confusing (translation glitch?)

"To complete this baptism, there was the so-called Thanksgiving for the baptism, with a mass in which the complementary rites were performed. At the side of Prince Charles - who, incidentally, was dressed in a lace robe that the Grand Duke and his sisters had already worn. At his side, Prince Louis, as godfather, and then the sister of the Hereditary Grand Duchess, Countess Gaëlle de Lannoy, as godmother."
Interesting in the mention "to complete this baptism" ...

"The mother's family was well represented, in Clervaux, then, on the other side, besides Prince Louis and Sebastien with plaster, Prince Felix and Princess Claire had come with their children. Missing is Princess Alexandra." Confirmed Alexandra did not attend but no reason given.

"It was a rather long religious ceremony, led by Cardinal Jean-Claude Hollerich, which also included the holy oil, and the consecrated water. Celebrated by the Auxiliary Bishop Leo Wagner, the Archbishop Fernand Franck and the Reverend Père Dom Michel Jorrot from Clierfer Abbey."
Indications are "it was a rather long ceremony", I don't think we were privileged to the entire ceremony, and/or as some have commented, regarding covid a previous ceremony might have already taken place nearer to the time just after birth.

Again, these are only excerpts not the entirety of the article.

Honestly, I can't get enough of baby Prince Charles. The pictures of Stephanie giving him little kisses before going into the chapel were dreamy adorable!
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Old 09-20-2020, 03:31 AM
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Prince Charles is a charming baby! His parents are truly delighted with him.
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Old 09-20-2020, 04:44 AM
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What...SERIOUSLY? Then why was he dressed in traditional baptismal robes? When did the "real" event take place and why wasn't it announced?

I find this difficult to understand or believe. The RTL newscaster stated very specifically that the baby has "TODAY received the Holy Sacrament" and that " the future Head of State was TODAY welcomed into the Catholic Faith".

For a Catholic there is only one Sacrament of Baptism not two. A candidate for Baptism is never anointed separately from his/ her baptism.

It all takes place at the same time. I think the baby was baptized DURING the Mass, which is what happened with the Monaco twins.

The other explanation of a prior, secret baptism for the Heir simply makes no sense imo.

There was no actual baptism (this was already done in privacy). The Archbishop did not pour water over the infant Prince. He did not say "I baptize thee in the name of the Father, etc."


The Archbishop sprinkled holy water over the royal couple holding their baby and then made a cross on the baby's forehead with a tiny little bit of chrisma ("holy oil"). After this it was essentially a normal Mass.
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Old 09-20-2020, 04:47 AM
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The video is wonderful. The delight of the parents is always clear when you see them with their son. And you can see how happy the entire family was for them. The pride in the godparents. I am sure it is special for Gaelle to be godmother, and for the siblings to see their sister a mother finally.

And yes he is certainly the image of his mom now. Though that may change.

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I wonder why princess Alexandra couldn't be present; is she abroad and not able to travel back to Europe?! And it's a pity that also the princes Gabriel and Noah didn't join the family for this important event.


I didn't notice this before, and I didn't see it addressed either.

I am not sure about Alexandra but the boys go to school in London. Luxembourg was removed from the UK's foreign exemption list as of late July and remains off of it. If the boys made the trip, they would have to quarantine for two weeks after they returned. It was likely decided that though the baptism is a special moment, having them have to miss two weeks of school to attend, was not worth it. If the baptism had been in the summer time, when the boys weren't in school and spent much of the summer on the continent, it would have been different I am sure.
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Old 09-20-2020, 05:37 AM
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Does Alexandra not live in Paris? Probably this is the reason she could not be there as Paris and much parts of France belong to the Risk Area's. I think she also did not attended the Wedding of Gabriella last weekend.
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Old 09-20-2020, 05:47 AM
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Does Alexandra not live in Paris? Probably this is the reason she could not be there as Paris and much parts of France belong to the Risk Area's. I think she also did not attended the Wedding of Gabriella last weekend.
I think Alexandra attended the wedding, in this picture seems to be her in the back row.

https://blogs.sl.pt/cloud/thumb/7a4b...7c3.jpg?size=l

According to the latest information, she lives in Paris. She must have a valid reason for missing an event as important as this.
I don't know why, I always thought she was going to be the baby's godmother because she was Guillaume's only sister.
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Old 09-20-2020, 06:13 AM
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"At 3 pm they were ordered to Clierf and the abbey for a "Mass of grace for the baptism of SAR the Prince Charles with the complementary rites of the baptism", according to the official title of Saturday's festivities. At noon, baptized Prince Charles is already, by the cardinal." The name of the mass is clear but the noon vs 3pm is confusing (translation glitch?)
As I understand, Mëtteg can mean "noon" as well as "afternoon". I don't read in this paper from RTL.lu that prince Charles was baptized at noon.

I admitt the whole is confusing and I don't understand why the grandducal family released such confusing informations. However, it is rather clear that RTL has got the news on the "Messe d'action de grâces pour les rites complémentaires du baptême" directly from the family and the Court. Therefore, yesterday mass was not a baptism mass and the baby had already been anointed with water earlier. I would very much understand why the court didn't say anything about this before.

On a lighter note, prince Charles is such a cutie and I am truly delighted for the HGD couple that they have become parents at least, after such a wait.
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Is a medical emergency necessarily indicated by baptism on the day of his birth and a mass for the "complementary rites" at a later date? Could it not be simply that the parents are devout Christians and wanted their child to acquire membership of their church as soon as possible, but also wanted a public celebration which would obviously be difficult to arrange on the same day he was born?

I suppose that will be answered if and when they have a second child.
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Old 09-20-2020, 10:39 AM
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The date on the candle being the same as Charles' date of birth seems to suggest he was baptized on the day of his birth.

For the Catholics among us, how would the church view the wish to baptize immediately and delay the completion of the rituals just because the parents liked the baptism to happen immediately (so, without a clear 'emergency' reason)?
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Old 09-20-2020, 10:50 AM
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Here's a link on Emergency Baptisms in the RC Church.

https://www.catholicdoors.com/faq/qu641.htm
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There was no actual baptism (this was already done in privacy). The Archbishop did not pour water over the infant Prince. He did not say "I baptize thee in the name of the Father, etc."


The Archbishop sprinkled holy water over the royal couple holding their baby and then made a cross on the baby's forehead with a tiny little bit of chrisma ("holy oil"). After this it was essentially a normal Mass.
Thank you Duc. I stand corrected, and I owe dear Sancia an apology.

Prince Charles was likely baptized within days or weeks of his birth back in May, as is traditional in Luxembourg Royal family.

The baby was presented to the public via video within hours of his birth. He appeared beautiful, robust and healthy. He did not stay in the hospital longer than the 3 days mandated by his Caesarean delivery.

So, IF the decision to baptize him in the hospital was made it cannot have been for any other reason than the pandemic.

If Gui and Stephanie are blessed with another child we will see.
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charles is an adorable baby. and guillaume and stephanie look simply exultant with their newborn!

it was probably a good move to not announce the date of the baptism and to move it to a quieter location given the risks surrounding COVID. i also note that the attendance is much smaller than the extended family you'd expect to see, with the GD's Siblings and their family. shame to not see alexandra there. and also, what happened to sebastian?

the choice of louis as the godfather is also an interesting one. i thought felix would be the godfather chosen.
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Prince Charles was likely baptized within days or weeks of his birth back in May, as is traditional in Luxembourg Royal family.
Sancia and others mentioned in previous posts seeing his birth date written on a candle which would seemingly indicate a baptism on the day of his birth.

Were there quarantine restrictions in effect at the time? I wonder if the parents decided to baptize immediately without the complementary rituals because they had no idea if and when a mass with guests in attendance would be feasible.
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Old 09-20-2020, 11:52 AM
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If memory serves, Luxembourg did indeed have quarantine restrictions back in May.

A balcony appearance featuring the new heir has not yet happened. The likely time to show Prince Charles on the balcony would have either been on National Day in June, or yesterday following the baptismal Mass.

But I have read that there has been a spike in Covid19 cases in the Grand Duchy....so no balcony appearaces for the foreseeable future sadly.
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Thank you Duc. I stand corrected, and I owe dear Sancia an apology.
Apologies accepted

I agree the baptism may have been performed at earliest due to the pandemic. However, the most important is baby Charles doing well and his parents being overwhelmed with joy since his birth.
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I have been an altar boy and an acolyte until I went to university. The actual baptism is the formula which is accepted by all Christian denonimations: the pouring with water.

In the Roman-Catholic Church the anointing with chrisma means that the baptized truly is a Christian indeed (christ means: the anointed). After the anointment the Archbishop laid a white cloth over the infant Prince. This expresses the purity of the soul. I have not seen the Archbishop laying some salt on the tongue ("Thou are the salt of the world"), which still was the use in Limbourg (not far from Luxembourg) when I did attend the last baptism in the family so far, in 2018.

Often this additional part (like Charles yesterday) is done during regular Mass to show the new Christian to the parish and welcome him/her and the parents into the community.
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A balcony appearance featuring the new heir has not yet happened. The likely time to show Prince Charles on the balcony would have either been on National Day in June, or yesterday following the baptismal Mass.

There a no Balcony appearances at National Day but there are at the closing ceremony of the Octave procession which is always some weeks after Easter. So it is likely that we will see him for the first time on the Balcony around May next year if the Pandemic allows for it.
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By this photo looks like he inherit his mother blue eyes!
He is so cute and i love to seem them so happy ! Her face irradiate so much light and happiness! So nice to see it.
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