Married in 2006?

[Lisele]

I hope she is not making a mistake with him.

Like I said in an earlier post, I've watched, read and waited but I can't see him reciprocating her affection. Even little gestures that seem normal for couples are absent. I know he's shy - people have said many times but man, give us something to think you care about this adorable, wonderful woman we admire so much. All I see is CP Victoria doing all the public displays of affection.

I agree with you there Lindy, I hope she's not making a mistake.

 

[sesam]

Well, I think that Daniel may seem to be a little arrogant and cool, but I am quite sure that he's a very sensitive person inside and only tries to handle this difficult situation with that (clumsy) behaviour. Being the boyfriend of a princess and becoming a prince (or something) is perhaps not the thing he ever dreamed of in his life, but in spite of that he's bearing all the media interest and everything - other boyfriends left Victoria because of that. So he surely knows that Victoria is a wonderful woman - otherwise he would not be willing to marry her. Perhaps he got instructions by court how to treat Victoria in public situations? There will be a reason why she loves him, won't there?

 

[Danielle]

Well, I think that Daniel may seem to be a little arrogant and cool, but I am quite sure that he's a very sensitive person inside and only tries to handle this difficult situation with that (clumsy) behaviour. Being the boyfriend of a princess and becoming a prince (or something) is perhaps not the thing he ever dreamed of in his life, but in spite of that he's bearing all the media interest and everything - other boyfriends left Victoria because of that. So he surely knows that Victoria is a wonderful woman - otherwise he would not be willing to marry her. Perhaps he got instructions by court how to treat Victoria in public situations? There will be a reason why she loves him, won't there?

I completely agree with what you are saying (except for the arrogant part). Despite what we, the public, think of Daniel, there is something about him that Victoria loves. And as you said, many have left Victoria because they were not able to deal with the pressures of public scrutiny, so we should admire Daniel for that. He doesn’t seem to be the most outgoing person, yet he's making a real effort. Unlike Victoria, he hasn't had to deal with the media being such a presence in his life before, so it must take a while to adjust to. I may have said mean things about him in the past, but he's starting to grow on me. It doesn't mean I'm his biggest fan, but if Victoria is happy with him (which I’m sure she is), then that’s the most important thing.

 

[Lena]

Has Victoria said, that former boyfriends left her, because of the public interest and the prospect to work for the crown...or has maybe the Royal couple said something like that...or at least close friends of Victoria (e.g. Caroline Kreuger)??

 

[Yennie]

I dont think anyone really "said it". But most papers wrote that, the reason why Victoria and Daniel C broke up was because he didn´t wanted to live his life in the spotlight as prince

 

[Lena]

I dont think anyone really "said it". But most papers wrote that, the reason why Victoria and Daniel C broke up was because he didn´t wanted to live his life in the spotlight as prince

And do we believe now the papers, which are Expressen, Aftonbladet, Svensk Damtidning and german tabloids (except them hardly any newspapers dealt with this topic)?

What I want to say is just, that we shouldn´t forget the "other" factors, which could have led to a separation with Collert (or possible other guys, we don´t know...)
For example
a) Victoria and Daniel C. were then younger. Some don´t want to believe it. But I think this "Now I´ve found THE big love"-feeling is often directly proportional to the age (namely to the "rush hour" of life, which starts at 27 and should end at 35)

b) Victoria and Daniel C. were two Aliens in New York (I´m an Alien, I´m an legal Alien, I´m a Swedish man in New york" ...maybe someone knows this song...it´s a little different though ). So it´s IMO not unusual, that they clinged to each other like a magnet to iron.

c) Both, Daniel C. and Victoria were in therapy then. Couldn´t it be, that they have developed differently. After all the starting situation was different. In the beginning Victoria hadn´t much self confidence and needed maybe desperately someone, who would take care of her...and maybe Daniel needed someone to take care of. But Victoria has IMO made great progress in this 2.5 years in the US...so maybe they hadn´t their "base" anymore after a while. (Dennism would tease me now and would call me again "Lena Freud" )


Maybe I´m wrong, but I think one should also consider other possibilites, as long as the main involved persons don´t reveal more.

 

[Yennie]

I think you´re right Lena....
They met when they were like 15 years old and dated for a long time (was it 8 years?) and that is a long time when you´re a teenager. So its not like Victoria has been "jumping around" (if you know what I mean?)

I can only speak for myself, but Im not the same person now, at 22, as I was when I was 15. And if I had met someone at 15 I dont think I would have felt the same thing about him now...
so perhaps it was just that, they wanted different things and went in different directions.

 

[Lena]

I think you´re right Lena....
They met when they were like 15 years old and dated for a long time (was it 8 years?) and that is a long time when you´re a teenager. So its not like Victoria has been "jumping around" (if you know what I mean?)

I can only speak for myself, but Im not the same person now, at 22, as I was when I was 15. And if I had met someone at 15 I dont think I would have felt the same thing about him now...
so perhaps it was just that, they wanted different things and went in different directions.

I think they dated from spring 1994 until spring 2001...so that would be 7 years (with breaks of course)
And I think you explained it perfectly. After all this was also a teenager love.
Teenager loves, which the european crown princes also had. Are here ppl saying "well, she didn´t wanted the life in the limelight"? In this connection I sometimes wonder, what would have been, when the princes would have met their current wives earlier and their former girlfriends later. Do you think this would have made a difference? Would they have all married at 24 years or so?

 

[Dennism]

Aftonbladet, on the other hand, had to choose of course an other maneuver than Expressen. According to their sources Victoria has no time for a wedding next summer (yes, in between swimming, walking the dog, eating strawberries and weeding, there´s not much time for a wedding...Dennism I want praise for this ENGLISH pun )

Very good, Lena. You are the Word Wunder of Wien!

 

[Lena]

1 Becaue the magazine is jealous on their Norwegian and Danish colleaugues who gets to report on weddings and grand children

2 They have nothing else to report about

3 Victorias ever present white shoes area sure sign she is in wedding thoughts (white shoes should only be worn be brides and debutants IMO)

4 The V and D necklace which she "just" started wearing

5 To fire up TRF members who are eagerly awaiting how she will look as a bride, will she wear glasses, ponytail and button tiara, or will she look glorious in a glam dress and the connaught tiara and they will look over the moon in Love...

Hahahaha

Having seen Daniel with glasses as wedding guest, it wouldn´t surprise me, when they would wear ones at their wedding too
And of course she will marry with THE white shoes...and then we could hear (even in Europe) sobs from down under

BTW I still don´t know, why Victoria H-A-S to marry...has the king given a command...Has Pappa Olle said "well, Danne-boy it´s about time, that new Westlings see the light of the day"...is Daniel jealous of Jambo and wants to win finally over the dog with a wedding (after the wedding he would maroon Jambo at a motorway service area )

 

[Lena]

Aftonbladet is helping Daniel with a little graphic. Five steps to a princess-wedding:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0509/29/gifta_368.jpg
(One please note the wild hair of Ann Christin Jernberg in picture nr. 4 )

Victoria was asked in China about an eventual wedding...and she says, what she always says: At the moment a wedding isn´t on the plan. The day an engagement would be on the plan, this would be announced the correct way. She understands, that there´s an interest in her private life, but she also hopes for respect.
Victoria was asked, if a candidate can ask also her, without asking the parents firstly. She answers: "It´s possible, but I think Mamma and Pappa would want to know about such a thing too" (something which is for us Medelsvensson also understandable...but it doesn´t explain, why one can´t tell them AFTER the private engagement )

On the question if Daniel will accompany her during her private trip through China she says to Aftonbladet: "No, no one will come (with me), you are interested in."

The bladet also tells, how other Royals have asked their partners.
Princess Christina (sister of the king) asked her hubby self (Maybe Victoria should have a talk to her)

Something I didn´t know, but which was very nice to read:
Ari Behn spread a labyrinth out of pictures and white Märtha-lilies. It ended in a room, where he waited for her. According to Märtha these were the most nervous minutes in her life (well, I dunno, if this story is true. But I hope so. And it could be an inspiration for Alexandria´s boyfriend )

Prince Charles went on his knees and asked Camilla the classic way (well, I´ve always thought this was more or less a joke of Charles)

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,705762,00.html

 

[Lena]

Can please someone translate me this part:

När vill kronprinsessan ha barn?
- Jag tänkte väl just det... Nej, när jag känner mig mogen.
När skulle det kunna vara?
- Ja, det vet man aldrig.
Hur många barn vill kronprinsessan ha?
- Ja, inte en sån som du i alla fall. Då skulle jag inte vilja ha något!


I think I get it...but in my version, the last sentence is extremely cheeky. So I wonder, if I´m maybe wrong

The other part of the Expressen-interview is not much different to the Aftonbladet-article above.
She (only) also tells, that she´s surprised about the enormous development of China. She was prepared for that, but she was though surprised to see, that Beijing is like any other big city.

http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=443500

 

[Yennie]

Can please someone translate me this part:

När vill kronprinsessan ha barn?
- Jag tänkte väl just det... Nej, när jag känner mig mogen.
När skulle det kunna vara?
- Ja, det vet man aldrig.
Hur många barn vill kronprinsessan ha?
- Ja, inte en sån som du i alla fall. Då skulle jag inte vilja ha något!

Here´s a try

When do the crownprincess wish to have babies?
- I thought so... When I feel ready for it
And when might that be?
- Well, you never know
How many children do the crownprincess wish for?
- Not someone like you, thats for sure. Then I wouldn´t want any at all

yennies comment: the last sentence is very confusing, even in swédish. I have no idea what she means.
The article said she was mad at one reporter for writin that she didn´t like chinese food...?? Perhaps a answer like that is some sort of revenge on him

 

[Lena]

Here´s a try

When do the crownprincess wish to have babies?
- I thought so... When I feel ready for it
And when might that be?
- Well, you never know
How many children do the crownprincess wish for?
- Not someone like you, thats for sure. Then I wouldn´t want any at all

yennies comment: the last sentence is very confusing, even in swédish. I have no idea what she means.
The article said she was mad at one reporter for writin that she didn´t like chinese food...?? Perhaps a answer like that is some sort of revenge on him

Thank you Yennie. So my idea of a translation wasn´t too far away from yours. As I see now, Expressen has edited the article during the day. In the morning, it seemed as if this comment was directed to a reporter from Expressen.
But it seems it was to one from Aftonbladet. They say in the article, that Victoria had rebuked him earlier, because he wrote, that Ernst Billgren said, that he and Victoria railed about the food at a dinner. To the article was also a denial of ambassador Börje Ljunggren added, who said, that Billgren is wrong. So according to the Expressen-article Victoria said to the journalist (Markus Gustafsson, a substitute for our favourite Nyhlén) "You should get one time a really bad soup! Besides I´ve everyday said, that the chinese food is fantastic and until now I had nothing, I didn´t like"

So it seems Victoria and Mr. Gustafsson have some misunderstandings...which she should IMO have with Ernst Billgren...then again I don´t know, how Gustafsson treated her during the trip...nonetheless I don´t think, that a Royal should say such a thing (I mean the comment with not having children, when they would be like him) to a journalist. Even in a kidding mood said, it doesn´t improve the relationship to the journalists and IMO it comes over quite invidious and offending.
I´ve never thought, that I would say that: Daniel´s interview last week, was a lot better than Victoria´s this week (well, he could avoid questions to children and engagements, but still...)

 

[Yennie]

I agree with you Lena. If she really said those words it is very "low" and childlish of her. She usually is very ptofessional and imo she must be, just like the rest of us. Beeing "crownprincess" is her job (which we pay her for )
In a way, the photographers and journalist are her co-workers and just because one doesn´t like a co-worker, there is no need to say things like that

 

[sesa]

With his hair line, greasy slicked back hair and his facial expressions, he reminds me of "Eddie Munster".

 

[SpiffyBallerina]

With his hair line, greasy slicked back hair and his facial expressions, he reminds me of "Eddie Munster".

He totally does! I think he would look a lot better if he made his hair softer and less greasy.

 

[sesa]

He totally does! I think he would look a lot better if he made his hair softer and less greasy.

And maybe if he tried to actually smile. He always seems to have a stupid expression on his face. Something between a smirk and a grimace. He has platapus (sp?) lips!

He rarely looks like he is in a good mood. And you rarely never see both him in CP Victoria looking like they enjoy being in each others company.

But I guess it's hard to enjoy being in someones company when that person looks like eddie munster!

 

[Lena]

And maybe if he tried to actually smile. He always seems to have a stupid expression on his face. Something between a smirk and a grimace. He has platapus (sp?) lips!

He rarely looks like he is in a good mood. And you rarely never see both him in CP Victoria looking like they enjoy being in each others company.

But I guess it's hard to enjoy being in someones company when that person looks like eddie munster!

Like Eddie munster...my oh my...the descriptions of Daniel´s look, I´ve heard in the past weeks could fill a whole zoo (like a monkey, cat, lizard, platypus...)

He makes some big styling errors...and he has problems to relax, but I don´t think he´s an ugly man. When I make a list of him and the crown princes in my mind, then Daniel would be among the top 3.
I like his lips...they look (esp. for a man) very "sensual"...it are only his grimaces, which make him looking strange.
When he laughs, then he looks quite nice.

This pic was taken from a scan from Ritva´s magazine-page (www.ritva.com). Usually I wouldn´t do that, but a genuine smile of Daniel is rare

 

[Smilla]

I do agree, actually the guy isn't bad-looking at all. He's possibly quite uncomfortable when the press people are around, so his smile might come over as forced. But hey - do you want to fend off photographers with a stick? In the last picture, he actually looks nice.

(But someone tell him to get a decent hair cut, for heaven's sake!)

 

[Karisma]

Pull your socks up ladies!

What kind of discussion is this about Daniels look? Is this a forum amog 13 year old teengirls dicussing: "he is more handsome"...( giggling and titter) I think ist's unfair and mean with that sort of discussions. He must be hell of a man if he can manage standing discussions like this. Perheps You shold think about other qualitys a man mus have being married to a Crownprincess (if he ever will...)? Calm down ladies and show us some dignity!

 

[Lena]

What kind of discussion is this about Daniels look? Is this a forum amog 13 year old teengirls dicussing: "he is more handsome"...( giggling and titter) I think ist's unfair and mean with that sort of discussions. He must be hell of a man if he can manage standing discussions like this. Perheps You shold think about other qualitys a man mus have being married to a Crownprincess (if he ever will...)? Calm down ladies and show us some dignity!

Sounds like an interesting discussion waiting for me Well, I could now come up with equality...and how Royal women are discussed.
But it seems Victoria really gets better away than Daniel...even among Swedes. What I´ve read, they "just" think, that she isn´t as beautiful as her sister...but Daniel is compared to animals...and they come up with the cliché, that bodybuilders are stupid.
So let´s not be so mean and superficial...and let´s discuss the other qualities a prince consort must have (does "a good sixpack" belong to looks, or does this just mean, that he can carry the heir better around ). Well, seriously, what is important for a prince consort...and what has Daniel. Ladies, please??


BTW Karisma, I´ve checked your profile...for a second, I´ve thought, that you could be related to the Westlings or Westrings. But it seems you are just nice

 

[Lena]

I can nearly see the time on his watch; how did they get that close to him to take photos? When were they taken? Hmm, maybe Daniel just likes high-heeled shoes. That didn't come out right. By the way Lena, I love your signature. Thanks for posting the photos.

The pics, you mean, were made in summer 2004 in Båstad (during the tennis-week, when Daniel always trains upper class ppl, who can´t live without him, in a hotel). He even posed for the cameras. But I´m (just like you) though surprised, that they also got close-ups, while he phoned.
Yes, maybe he just likes them. But he simply isn´t very tall (just as the king, the prince, Daniel I...), so it makes sense. So to say it in other words: Imagine prince Felipe would wear such shoes, and Letizia flat ones. The ppl would start to wonder, who/what the little beetle next to Felipe is
When Daniel, on the other hand, would wear these shoes and Victoria her white shoes, then both would harmonise

 

[Karisma]

Just fair

BTW Karisma, I´ve checked your profile...for a second, I´ve thought, that you could be related to the Westlings or Westrings. But it seems you are just nice

I can assure You I'm not related to Daniels family (Westling). I don't know them at all. I'm not always nice, (thank's ) but I try to be fair.

 

[SpiffyBallerina]

I think saying how we think he looks is not being unfair. We're stating opinions (and that's what this whole board is for basically). We're making observations and stating our personal opinions. Don't jump on us and call us immature 13 year olds for making judgements because that's a judgment itself.

 

[mixer2002de]

Wow Viktoria is mean to a reporter... Maybe she has got some serious problems within her relationship. Maybe Daniel prefers to be the king of gymn owners instead of getting a prince of Sweden. Wouldn't that be a degradtion? Or she just had her days...

 

[sesa]

What kind of discussion is this about Daniels look? Is this a forum amog 13 year old teengirls dicussing: "he is more handsome"...( giggling and titter) I think ist's unfair and mean with that sort of discussions. He must be hell of a man if he can manage standing discussions like this. Perheps You shold think about other qualitys a man mus have being married to a Crownprincess (if he ever will...)? Calm down ladies and show us some dignity!

First of all, we are not " judging" him at all. If I had done that, I could have commented on something like his personality or character, or how he should treat other people better, but I did not. I do not know him so therefore I do not pass judgement on people that I do not personally know. He could be and probably is a very nice peson for all I know, but saying so would be judging him. As for being unfair, if giving ones opinion on a thread is unfair because that specific person being talked about is not here to defend him/or herself, Forums like this should not exsist. And I don't think that I need to consider his other qualities given that he has no relevance to me and/or my life.
And as for calming down, no one was or is excited. And as for suggesting that I have not acted in a dignifed manner, because I commented on his smile and hair, is passing judgment on me, which is not very nice at all.

 

[sesa]

Lena,
Thank you for the picture. I have never seen him w/a real smile and it does change his face. He does look nice when he smiles. But he really does need to change his glasses and hair cut. This look is just to "hard" for him.
.

 

[Alisa]

Here´s a try

When do the crownprincess wish to have babies?
- I thought so... When I feel ready for it
And when might that be?
- Well, you never know
How many children do the crownprincess wish for?
- Not someone like you, thats for sure. Then I wouldn´t want any at all

yennies comment: the last sentence is very confusing, even in swédish. I have no idea what she means.
The article said she was mad at one reporter for writin that she didn´t like chinese food...?? Perhaps a answer like that is some sort of revenge on him

The interview sounds unusual and very rude coming from Victoria. Perhaps there was some kind of mishap in printing. Translations here are usually excellent and comprehendible and I cannot imagine the Crown Princess saying such rude things.

 

[Alisa]

I think saying how we think he looks is not being unfair. We're stating opinions (and that's what this whole board is for basically). We're making observations and stating our personal opinions. Don't jump on us and call us immature 13 year olds for making judgements because that's a judgment itself.

Well said! Often times it is the appearance of female royals that gets criticized or commented on, and I see no reason that the appearance of a prospective male royal can't be commented (or criticized) on as well.