Daniel's Future: Discussion (his role, title, orders, pressure etc.)

[mixer2002de]

But the ipod should just carry licensed legal music which seems to be quite an issue as I read somwhere that illegal music downloads in Sweden are quite in, which is a big problem for the industry there...

[Lena]

Originally Posted by mixer2002de

But the ipod should just carry licensed legal music which seems to be quite an issue as I read somwhere that illegal music downloads in Sweden are quite in, which is a big problem for the industry there...

Well, the CD-box for MM and Haakon was a gift from the government. I can´t imagine, that PM Göran Persson personally would download 10000 songs illegally from the internet for the crown princess and the prince :p

[Danielle]

Originally Posted by Lena

I must admit, I also can´t see him doing this. Then again I´m always surprised about his words in the few interviews, that he has given (of course it sounds better in Swedish than in the Lena-translations). His thesaurus is not that bad -well, after the many reports about his education, I´ve expected the worst :o

Hahahaha, good one. I wish someone would give them a good sorted "music box" with many CDs and maye even some records for their wedding (just like the one MM and Haakon have gotten)
Well, I guess you (Danielle) and Alexandria would suggest an big full loaded ipod

Maybe he's been reading a lot more. That would often improve ones vocabulary (hence why mine is still shocking :p).

Oh yes, definitely an iPod. I gladly would part with mine (well, I would shed a tear or two) just so they could listen to what I term 'good music'. You know what, sending them music for their wedding is a good idea. I shall start thinking of good albums right now. :)

EDIT: Sorry Lena. I quoted your post before you changed it. :o

[Lena]

Originally Posted by Danielle

Maybe he's been reading a lot more. That would often improve ones vocabulary (hence why mine is still shocking :p).

Well, your reading list for winter (when I have read that firstly I was quite confused...what?! winter?!...the europeans egocentric world view ) is quite impressive.

Originally Posted by Danielle

Oh yes, definitely an iPod. I gladly would part with mine (well, I would shed a tear or two) just so they could listen to what I term 'good music'. You know what, sending them music for their wedding is a good idea. I shall start thinking of good albums right now. :)

Actually this is really an nice idea. Ppl will send them baby wear, so why not music. I wonder, if they would get their own song (like Mary and Frederik or like queen Silvia with "dancing queen")

Originally Posted by Danielle

EDIT: Sorry Lena. I quoted your post before you changed it. :o

no problemo. I must admit (confession time) that I´ve done yesterday something worse. I wanted to quote a post from you, but by accident I pressed the "edit"-button so the post was gone. Don´t worry, I could go back on the original version...but now in the post one can read "edited by Lena" :o

[PrincessNatalie]

Title says it all.

would he be called Prince Daniel? because Princess Anne's 1st husband didn't have a title nor was he given one.

I would like to know out of curiosity.

thanks

[Avalon]

Originally Posted by PrincessNatalie

Title says it all.

would he be called Prince Daniel? because Princess Anne's 1st husband didn't have a title nor was he given one.

I would like to know out of curiosity.

thanks

I suppose he will be given a title but not Prince, perhaps a Duke. At least not until Crown Princess Victoria becomes a Queen. Then he will be Prince.
Princess Anne was not heir to the throne and her husband didn't have to be given any title, especially Prince.
And if I remember right, Princess Anne rejected all possible titles for her husband and children.

[GrandDuchess]

Originally Posted by PrincessNatalie

Title says it all.

would he be called Prince Daniel? because Princess Anne's 1st husband didn't have a title nor was he given one.

I would like to know out of curiosity.

thanks

This question has been discussed a lot before - but we cannot answer it. When Victoria will marry, I think Victoria will have a say before her father as to what title her husband will have, but in the end it's the King's decision.

All we can do now is speculate. When the day comes, this will be a new situation in Sweden as females has not had this "problem" before. When a Swedish princess married a commoner in the old days, she simply lost her HRH, and they didn't even have succession rights back then.

So when the day comes for Victoria and Madeleine to marry, it will all be a new situation for the monarchy of Sweden.

[soCal girl]

If Victoria and Daniel got married; his title would most probably be something like HRH Prince Consort, but people would probably call him Prince Daniel for convenience. I forgot Victoria's duchy but I'm sure Daniel would also become the Duke of that. (This is when Victoria is Queen). I don't know what Daniel's title would be if they got married in the near future. :)

[crisiñaki]

I think that the man that Victoria marries would get the title of Duke (Consort) of Västergötland and of course when she became Queen he'll be for example HRH Daniel the Prince Consort of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland

[RoyalKnottie]

I agree. I think CP Victoria's husband (lets just pretend Daniel) will receive the title of HRH Duke of Västergötland while King Carl Gustaf is on the throne. When Victoria becomes Queen I bet her husband will become Prince Consort.

[Margrethe II]

I agree ladies..Duke of Västergötland is my guess :)

Its most likely, however, that he would be made a Prince of the Kingdom of Sweden just like Henri (Prince Henrik) was in Denmark.

We shall wait and see...

"MII"

P.S What does this Daniel fellow look like? Is he anything to rave about, physique wise?

[crisiñaki]

The man who marries Victoria will became the Duke of Västergötland on marriage right, whether he's created a prince or not is up to King Carl Gustaf; but if Victoria gets married as a Queen, her husband would automatically be the Prince Consort of Sweden.

[GrandDuchess]

Originally Posted by crisiñaki

The man who marries Victoria will became the Duke of Västergötland on marriage right, whether he's created a prince or not is up to King Carl Gustaf; but if Victoria gets married as a Queen, her husband would automatically be the Prince Consort of Sweden.

Her future husband will not become a Prince Consort automatically when Victoria is the ruling Queen. It will be up to her then if she wants to change her husband's title then, from the one that King Carl XVI Gustaf created upon the couple's marriage. People who marry into the Royal Family doesn't get titles automatically, they have to be created in the discretion of the monarch.

[soCal girl]

I'm sure Victoria would give Daniel the title of Prince Consort when she is Queen (and if they ever marry....). But I don't know if Victoria would make him Prince of the Kingdom of Sweden like MII mentioned.

[PrincessNatalie]

Thanks for your replies.

I did think that he would be made Duke of Västergötland, but I was told by a friend that this is wrong because it would put him ahead of her in the order of precedence, he ranking higher than her on the basis on her title.

[Empress]

Originally Posted by crisiñaki

I think that the man that Victoria marries would get the title of Duke (Consort) of Västergötland and of course when she became Queen he'll be for example HRH Daniel the Prince Consort of Sweden, Duke of Västergötland

Is there such a title as Duke Consort? I have never heard of such. Hmm?

[Empress]

Originally Posted by PrincessNatalie

Thanks for your replies.

I did think that he would be made Duke of Västergötland, but I was told by a friend that this is wrong because it would put him ahead of her in the order of precedence, he ranking higher than her on the basis on her title.

Hmm, from where I sit, since she is Crown Princess, NO Duke would out rank her.

[Furienna]

This is why I say, that a queen's husband should become a king, just like a king's wife becomes a queen. A husband and a wife should be ranked equally. The title of king should not outrank the title of queen, which must be the case, since a king's wife can become a queen, but a queen's husband can't become a king. So when/if our crown princess Victoria or the norveigan princess Ingrid marry in the future, their husbands should be kings, when their wives are queens, not "just" princes.

[soCal girl]

Originally Posted by Furienna

This is why I say, that a queen's husband should become a king, just like a king's wife becomes a queen. A husband and a wife should be ranked equally. The title of king should not outrank the title of queen, which must be the case, since a king's wife can become a queen, but a queen's husband can't become a king. So when/if our crown princess Victoria or the norveigan princess Ingrid marry in the future, their husbands should be kings, when their wives are queens, not "just" princes.

I get what you're saying. In the current system, the title King seems to outweigh the Queen. I agree that in this day and age; the title King and Queen should have the same value. But then again, doesn't King Daniel sound kind of odd?.....

[Princess of Monaco]

If CP Victoria married with Daniel can be happen the same thing occur in Denmark with Queen Margareth or can be different?

Is true that the Kings accept Daniel??