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Old 05-25-2004, 08:07 AM
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Hm, GrandDuchess we had this discussion already before at the Royal blue board...and I still think the same. My guess is, that that what you´ve written (that the court thinks that the future monarchs "should be well-educated but general-knowledge persons") was an little excuse of the court/Royal family. The Royal court (Victoria) wasn´t very open about the dyslexia of the King and the crown princess before 2002, so it was/is probably easier to say, that a degree wouldn´t make much sense... Further Victoria was already inscribed/matriculated at Uppsala university (This is from Yennie´s yahoo-club ... Club->look at Rare pictures ...btw Yennie from where is this...did you were at Victoria´s home and did you have copied it there ? ). But then her anorexia/bulimia thwarted her plans and she started different courses at Yale. So it was actually planned to study political science and probably also to get a degree in it.
I can understand that the king didn´t get a degree. Then it wasn´t that common among european Royals, and people also didn´t know much about dyslexia, further his grandfather-the king was already very old, when Carl Gustaf finished school. So it was surely better to teach him more practical things and less theory. But Victoria has a high chance to have far more time until she will succeed her father, so IMO she should really try to get a degree...esp. because her colleagues in the other monarchies got one!
And like Josefine I also know a lot of students who are older than 25 (A friend of mine is 33, mother of a 13 year old son and we are often in the same courses/classes at university...). So there would be no problem to start university now or later (when her kids start school)!

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Hm, GrandDuchess we had this discussion already before at the Royal blue board...and I still think the same. My guess is, that that what you´ve written (that the court thinks that the future monarchs "should be well-educated but general-knowledge persons") was an little excuse of the court/Royal family. The Royal court (Victoria) wasn´t very open about the dyslexia of the King and the crown princess before 2002, so it was/is probably easier to say, that a degree wouldn´t make much sense... Further Victoria was already inscribed/matriculated at Uppsala university (This is from Yennie´s yahoo-club ... Club->look at Rare pictures ...btw Yennie from where is this...did you were at Victoria´s home and did you have copied it there ? ). But then her anorexia/bulimia thwarted her plans and she started different courses at Yale. So it was actually planned to study political science and probably also to get a degree in it.
I can understand that the king didn´t get a degree. Then it wasn´t that common among european Royals, and people also didn´t know much about dyslexia, further his grandfather-the king was already very old, when Carl Gustaf finished school. So it was surely better to teach him more practical things and less theory. But Victoria has a high chance to have far more time until she will succeed her father, so IMO she should really try to get a degree...esp. because her colleagues in the other monarchies got one!
And like Josefine I also know a lot of students who are older than 25 (A friend of mine is 33, mother of a 13 year old son and we are often in the same courses/classes at university...). So there would be no problem to start university now or later (when her kids start school)!

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Yeah a University degree would be a good idea and finally she starts a career as university teacher. So she does not have to care if the parliament abolishs monarchy or not!
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Old 05-26-2004, 05:57 PM
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I think that the tradition in our Royal House of Monarchs and their Heir being well-educated but general-knowledge persons is a really good thing! For some of you, it sounds like having a university degree is like an end in itself, not thinking about the special situation and life of the one it concerns.

Crown Princess Victoria has her special interests, and those she has been able to grow both by her university studies (from which she has diplomas) and exclusive opportunities to follow high profile persons, international organizations etc. etc. Her educational and experience programmes with the Government, the Parliament, government agencies, the defence, the Swedish Trade Council, organisations, unions, the EU delegation, the UN and other international organisations and institutes has provided her with exactly the kind of experience she needs and wants to have. No normal person in the world could ever get all these perks that she has gotten!

The only reason Crown Princess Victoria didn’t go to Uppsala University but moved abroad to go to Yale University was her anorexia. There were a lot of rumours about her having anorexia the months before, the press was really on a witch hunt, showing picture of her tiny body in the papers and writing speculate articles. When finally the Royal Court decided that it was really best to make an official statement, rather than leaving it to the press to speculate on – they also decided that it was best for the Crown Princess to move to the USA for a while so that she could get some peace, and good treatment from specialists. So a friend went with her as she moved to a family in Connecticut, and the press respected her privacy while under treatment.


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Old 05-26-2004, 06:43 PM
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I hope I didn´t gave the impression of being snobby and to think, that people with an university degree are "better". I just think it´s such a pity, that she hasn´t one/won´t get one, because all the other crown princes have one.
Further I think theoretical and practical education would complete each other perfectly! Because IMO there´s one little problem, when you do only practicals and later a job, where you have to do a lot of colloquies and where you have to show your personal views on things and your knowledge... in pracitcals you only learn from a little group of people. So you just get to know a very limited rate/amount of opinions, and these opinons are often very subjective. Of course teachers/tutors/professors at university also tell you a little bit of their own opinions, but a lot of things there are standardised. I (and also people I know, who are studying completely different things) often suffer from all this theory (a lot of figures, statistics, things you just have to learn by rote), but after a while you start to notice, that all this theory help you also practically. You start to question things and learn to get an own opinion. This change of school and practice is used in all areas of work...when you want to become a cook you also have to sit down for a longer time and have to study a lot of things...even though the practical skills are more important. But IMO some short practicals, where some people tell you a few anecdotes can´t do the same as a real "school" with other students!
You´ve said she has diplomas, and I know on what you´re refering...but I also know, that Victoria was enrolled in Yale as "special student". As such a student you can rehearse/check out different areas and subjects. And I know that she did this...she has studied geology, french, politics and history...she surely got reports, but I can´t imagine that you get a full diploma, when you study five terms four different subjects! You have to be a genius to do that. So I guess in the end of her studies she got something like a "certificate of honour".
BTW I remember that Victoria said in her birthday-interview in the middle of 1998, that she at least want to finish her studies/get a degree, because if the journalists would ask her one day, what she has done expedient/reasonable in her life, she could at least say, that she has finished her studies!

I hope my words weren´t too harsh...IMO this is an interesting discussion and I´m looking forward, what other people think!
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BTW I remember that Victoria said in her birthday-interview in the middle of 1998, that she at least want to finish her studies/get a degree, because
I wonder what caused her to "put her plans" on hold, in this regard ?
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From Aftonbladet today:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/04...ictoria-29.jpg

Victoria skolas in som drottning

Kronprinsessan får egen stab till hjälp

Nu ska kronprinsessan Victoria skolas till drottning - på riktigt. I oktober inrättas en ny stab av järnladys som ska hjälpa henne med allt från studieprogram till officiella uppdrag.
- Det här är inget glassjobb, säger Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg, chef för den nya avdelningen.

Under de senaste åren har Victorias officiella uppdrag ökat kraftigt. För att underlätta arbetet och skola in Victoria i drottningrollen bildas den 1 oktober kronprinsessans hovstat.
- Vi ska planera, samordna och hjälpa kungabarnen med den officiella verksamheten, berättar Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg som lämnar jobbet som presschef.

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Som chef för den nya avdelningen får hon titeln hovmarskalk och blir en ännu mäktigare person vid hovet. Till sin hjälp får hon Susanne Franchell - Victorias blivande sekreterare som varit utlånad från hovmarskalkämbetet.

Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg, 53, har varit vid hovet i 28 år och kommer att fortsätta vara kronprinsessans mentor. Efter kungen och drottningen är det nu hon som styr och ställer när det gäller Sveriges blivande statschef.
- Kronprinsessan litar på henne till hundra procent och följer alltid hennes råd. Elisabeth är lite som en extramamma för henne, berättar en källa.

Jobbat med Persson
Tarras-Wahlberg stannar också kvar som kungaparets rådgivare i kommunikationsfrågor. Sekreteraren Susanne Franchell, 48, har sedan 1996 arbetat i statsrådsberedningen med Göran Persson.
- Bland annat har jag planerat statsministerns resor. Jag känner att arbetet i den nya organisationen kommer att bli enormt stimulerande och jättekul, säger hon.

Vad krävs för att arbeta med kronprinsessan?
- Hon tycker att man ska vara noggrann, språkkunnig, diplomatisk och vara beredd att hugga i, säger Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg.
Så det är inte bara ett glassjobb med limousiner och representationsmiddagar?
- Absolut inte. Det innebär mycket pyssel och planering, säger hon.

Ann-Christine Jernberg blir tillförordnad presschef vid hovet.
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Old 09-02-2004, 05:44 PM
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Article in english about the re-organization at the swedish Royal court and Victoria´s "busy" (I think her last autumn was busier) autumn:

Queenology
So it's back to the studies, and this term there's a new course on offer.

You'll learn behaviour at high society functions (converse with the person on your right during the starter, the person on your left during the main course, and so on), the names of significant heads of state (note - may be revised in November) and how best to deal with the press (don't).

It sounds like fun, but unfortunately there's only room for one student on the course - Crown Princess Victoria.

According to Tuesday's Aftonbladet, the heir to Sweden's throne is now beginning official training to become the top dog, the big cheese, the Swede of Swedes. In other words, the queen.

In a country where you aren't considered qualified to apply for a job unless you've picked up a PhD in the subject area beforehand, this week's move from the palace is likely to keep the 'anti-royal birthright' lot quiet for some time to come. No, they'll be told, she's not queen by birth, she's queen because she studied how to be one way back in 2004. Oh, alright then, they'll say.

The smooth continuity of the Swedish royal family has been entrusted to an entourage of "iron ladies", led by Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg, formerly the palace press manager.

"We will plan, coordinate and help the princess with her official activities," she explained.

Victoria is said to trust Tarras-Wahlberg - who has been at the palace for 28 years - entirely, and "always follows her advice".

"Elisabeth is a bit like an extra mother for her," a source told Aftonbladet.

Tarras-Wahlberg will begin grooming Victoria on October 1st but will retain her role as communications advisor to the king and (current) queen. She will be joined by Susanne Franchell who, for the last eight years, has been working with prime minister Göran Persson.

The ladies are said to be very excited about their new job but pointed out that it won't be all about canapés and cocktails.

"There are lots of bits and pieces to sort out," said Tarras-Wahlberg. "The Crown Princess expects one to be diplomatic, organised and eloquent - and to put one's back into any work one does."

In fact, Victoria herself is going to have to put her back into her autumn workload. Tuesday's Expressen reported that as well as her course in Queenology, she has a hectic schedule of royal trips planned, beginning with a state visit to Iceland next week with mum and dad.

Then she'll be off to the paralympics in Athens later in the month and after that - just as you're starting to get a little bit envious - comes a trip to Hungary with business minister Leif Pagrotsky.

And while younger sister Princess Madeleine takes a course in Ethnology at Stockholm University, and younger brother Prince Carl Philip brushes up on his graphic design (useful, that), Victoria will be squeezing in a five-point course in Social Science at the Swedish National Defence College.

The focus will be on peace and conflict studies.

"She is very interested in this subject area and has previously studied it at Uppsala University and during her time in the US," said - oh, her again - Elisabeth Tarras-Wahlberg.
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Old 09-03-2004, 10:51 AM
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From the Crown Princess' visit to the International Master’s Programme ”Strategic Leadership Towards Sustainable Development” at Blekinge Tekniska Högskola in Karlskrona today:

http://www.bth.se/start.nsf/kronprin...nImageResource

KRONPRINSESSAN VICTORIA BESÖKTE BTH

Kronprinsessan var på fredagen på besök för att följa dagens föreläsningar i det internationella magisterprogrammet Strategic Leadership towards Sustainability, ett område som Kronprinsessan har ett personligt intresse i. Den celebra studenten och Blekinges landshövding välkomnades på Campus Gräsvik av rektor Lars Haikola.
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Old 09-03-2004, 11:17 AM
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Thank you for the picture, GrandDuchess...I haven´t thought that we would get any pictures from this study-visit.
Now I´m wiping off a teardrop of emotion : Victoria isn´t wearing a ponytail! And I like this jacket...I know she has worn it before, but then only in private. So I´m happy that she also wears it to an official duty. Because to me it often seems as if Victoria would have taste in evening gowns (some slips don´t count) and taste, when she´s out in private, but her daily business style is often some sort of dull and boring.
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Bullies?

Does anyone know if Bernadotte ever got into fights in school?????? I read somewhere that she used to get bullied in school - kids would make fun of her because she couldn't read that well - If she really got bullied then she must've defended herself somehow
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Does anyone know if Bernadotte ever got into fights in school?????? I read somewhere that she used to get bullied in school - kids would make fun of her because she couldn't read that well - If she really got bullied then she must've defended herself somehow
Why do you refer to them as Bernadotte and Westling? Do you have an aversion to addressing them by their first names or their titles? We're not on a sports team here to be calling each other by our last names.
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Does anyone know if Bernadotte ever got into fights in school?????? I read somewhere that she used to get bullied in school - kids would make fun of her because she couldn't read that well - If she really got bullied then she must've defended herself somehow
Dont think she did. Both because of her personality and also because she had bodyguards with her all the time. I dont think they would have let her get into a fight :)

And she never said she was bullied in a physical way, it was "just" a in a name calling way. Dont get me wrong, bullying is never ok, but Victoria said something like this when asked if she ever had been bullied:
Nej inte direkt, men även jag har väl hört ett och annat / No not really. But me to has sometimes heard mean things. ( haha, hard one to translate!)
(and I couldn´t find the article so the source is the Yennie-memory :) )
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Why do you refer to them as Bernadotte and Westling? Do you have an aversion to addressing them by their first names or their titles? We're not on a sports team here to be calling each other by our last names.

I CAN REFER TO PEOPLE HOWEVER I WANT YOU DON'T CONTROL ME. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT THEN THATS YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE.
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I CAN REFER TO PEOPLE HOWEVER I WANT YOU DON'T CONTROL ME. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT THEN THATS YOUR PROBLEM NOT MINE.
Please cool down, The O.C. Fanatic. No one wants to control you. This was just a question/comment (well, maybe the part about the sport team wasn´t necessary). It´s just, that it can really get a bit confusing, when you call the crown princess "Bernadotte"-the whole family is called "Bernadotte", so how should we know, who is meant?
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Yes, Crown Princess Victoria was bullied at school. Not in a physical way but she was made fun of. She spoke of her experience in August or September 2002.
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wonder what queen training victoria will do this fall
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maybe a marriage training?
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maybe a marriage training?
How does marriage training look, Mixer? Drilling the children, who have to carry the train?
But I must say, when I would be a crown princess and when I would marry, then I would also try to keep the schedule between engagement and wedding as low as possible.
Just imagine you could choose the most exclusive designers for your dress, you chould choose thousands (when not millions) of flowers, you could choose the menu, the wedding cake, your hairdo and make-up, the styles for the pages, flower girls and bridesmaids (of course themselves too), you could choose with the reverend the readings, you could choose the music, you could choose where to go for honeymoon and what do there and so on. And the most important thing: you don´t have to care for the budget. *siiiigggghhhhh* wouldn´t this be great. I guess I would be busy with planning the whole 8 months
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