What If WWI/WWII Hadn't Happened?

[Toledo]

What If WWI/WWII Hadn't Happened?

My wild guesses:
1. Germany and the UK would be allies to dominate the growing USA and fight for control of Latin American countries. For example, making Mexico strong after the 1910-1920 civil war and installing a third empire that would engulf central America. The Panama Canal would be Anglo German.

2. Russia would still have a revolution. Germany, France and UK would come to the rescue. Japan would take a big chunck of Siberia.

3. Germany, France and UK would restore Brazil's empire and Portugal's king.

4. My old country, Spain, would still have a civil war but Germany, Italy, France and UK would step in and restore a constitutional monarchy, preventing Franco's reign of terror to take over.

5. Germany, Italy, France and UK would again interfere in Turkey and restore the Sultan.

6. And unfortunately, colonialism and exploitation in Africa and Asia would go unchecked to present day.

7. The lack of Soviet Union would have prevented or delayed the race to space and the first men on the moon and other advances in technology. For shorts: no Star Trek, laptops, flying cars...

In summary, for good or bad the two world wars shaped the world we live in today.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

How would Russia interfere in the issue of a claimant to the Hungarian throne?

As they always interfered with anything..ignorance and blatant superiority sentiments...Well,we have seen were that got them..

And again...

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Durham

Ireland might possibly have found peace within the UK with home rule or it might just have been a step towards inevitable independence. There would presumably have been no Easter Rising.

Yes I think had Home Rule with an Irish Parliament in Dublin been established in 1912 the Irish Risings and Irish War of Independence could have been avoided.
In 1801 the Kingdoms of Ireland and Great Britain were merged into Great Britain and the Irish Parliament became redundant.
That could also could have been revered in 1912 as the 1801 Act was vehemently opposed in Ireland

PARLIAMENT HOUSE, DUBLIN

[Denville]

There were still disputes in 1914 about Home Rule, I dont think that there woudl have been an easy solution to the problem fo the Ulster Unionists, and HR might not have proceeded into law in 1914.

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by Toledo

What If WWI/WWII Hadn't Happened?

My wild guesses:
1. Germany and the UK would be allies to dominate the growing USA and fight for control of Latin American countries. For example, making Mexico strong after the 1910-1920 civil war and installing a third empire that would engulf central America. The Panama Canal would be Anglo German.

2. Russia would still have a revolution. Germany, France and UK would come to the rescue. Japan would take a big chunck of Siberia.

3. Germany, France and UK would restore Brazil's empire and Portugal's king.

4. My old country, Spain, would still have a civil war but Germany, Italy, France and UK would step in and restore a constitutional monarchy, preventing Franco's reign of terror to take over.

5. Germany, Italy, France and UK would again interfere in Turkey and restore the Sultan.

6. And unfortunately, colonialism and exploitation in Africa and Asia would go unchecked to present day.

7. The lack of Soviet Union would have prevented or delayed the race to space and the first men on the moon and other advances in technology. For shorts: no Star Trek, laptops, flying cars...

In summary, for good or bad the two world wars shaped the world we live in today.

I don’t see why or how the Brits and Germans would interfere with Mexico. Germany had little or no involvement in Latin America geo politics wise aside from a number of Germans migrating.

I don’t see how allies could help Russia’s internal issues of revolution because Russia is too big.

I don’t think the further colonialism would continue because Empires cost a lot of money to run and locals would overtime made it difficult. All empires come to an end.

I can see a restoration of the Portuguese royals, but not the Brazilian royals (at least not help from Western powers because the reason they were deposed had nothing to do with WWI)

[SirGyamfi1]

Originally Posted by lucien

As they always interfered with anything..ignorance and blatant superiority sentiments...Well,we have seen were that got them..

And again...

You’re not wrong with that, they interfered too much in East, South and Central Europe post WWII.

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Denville

There were still disputes in 1914 about Home Rule, I dont think that there woudl have been an easy solution to the problem fo the Ulster Unionists, and HR might not have proceeded into law in 1914.

The Ulster Unionists were venomously opposed to Home Rule or a Parliament in Dublin.
Protestants in the South were among the more fervent Irish Nationalists.

[Denville]

not true, SOME Protestants in the south were nationalists but not many.

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Denville

not true, SOME Protestants in the south were nationalists but not many.

I was reading up on some of the Protestant Irish nationalists

There are some famous figures like Wolfe Tone,Robert Emmet
and Henry Grattan.
Others who are less famous or long forgotten.

The Founder of the Irish Home Rule was William Shaw an Irish Protestant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willia...sh_politician)

Isaac Butt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Butt

Sir John Gray
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_G...sh_politician)

Rev.Isaac Nelson
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Nelson

John Gordon Swift MacNeill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._G._Swift_MacNeill

Some more Famous Figure
Charles Stewart Parnell
Countess Markievicz nee Constance Gore-Booth
Eva Gore-Booth
Alice Milligan
Erskine Childers
Sir Thomas Myles
Captain James Robert White
Alice Stopford Green
Douglas Hyde
Sir Roger Casement
Lord Glenavy
Revd. Robert Hilliard

[Denville]

Im not going to argue, but this is a subject that I studied at college, and these people were the excpetions like upper class socialists. Most Protestants in Ireland were unionist. Many of the Southern unionists left the country after 1922

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Denville

Im not going to argue, but this is a subject that I studied at college, and these people were the excpetions like upper class socialists. Most Protestants in Ireland were unionist. Many of the Southern unionists left the country after 1922

Oh I concur with you ,there were a small minority of Protestants in the Irish Nationalist movement and Home Rule Founding and Movement.
The vast majority were Unionist.

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by SirGyamfi1

I don’t see why or how the Brits and Germans would interfere with Mexico. Germany had little or no involvement in Latin America geo politics wise aside from a number of Germans migrating.

I don’t see how allies could help Russia’s internal issues of revolution because Russia is too big.

I don’t think the further colonialism would continue because Empires cost a lot of money to run and locals would overtime made it difficult. All empires come to an end.

I can see a restoration of the Portuguese royals, but not the Brazilian royals (at least not help from Western powers because the reason they were deposed had nothing to do with WWI)

The intent of the thread seems to be on the theme give us your guess and defy logic! It's playing here with the genre called Alternative History. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_history
Just join the fun

Re Mexico, during WWI the Kaiser's government reached out to Mexico and offered all territories taken by the USA, by 1848, in exchange for their alliance in the War to invade the USA from the south border.

This trick happened twice in recent history in my country. Napoleon asked Spain's king to let him enter the territory to defeat the British and their ally, Portugal. End results: he crowned his brother 'Pepe' king of Spain.
Hitler asked Franco the same, to allow his troops in to reach French Morocco and the resistance and Franco said hell no remembering Napoleon's offer.

Had the Kaiser's Germany step foot in Mexico they would have declared a third empire probably with one of his relatives on the throne. This was going to happen to Finland, too in 1918 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Finland_(1918)

Re Brazil - The UK/Europe destroyed the Brazilian monopoly of rubber by stealing seeds to grow their own. Rubber was like gold for the emerging car industries. There was no love lost and the Brazilian resources were closer to obtain if the Bristish Empire interfered in Latin America the way the USA did.

So just have fun with the thread and share your alternative history too!

[Toledo]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

The Ulster Unionists were venomously opposed to Home Rule or a Parliament in Dublin.
Protestants in the South were among the more fervent Irish Nationalists.

Had WWI not happened and instead UK and Germany became allies against the growing dominance of the industrial power of the USA, the grip in Ireland would have lasted longer. And I don't doubt the end result would have been independence but at the cost of thousands of lives on both sides.

In my theory today, the USA's first Irish ancestry president, John F. Kennedy would have interfered on behalf of Ireland. Interesting if that would have been the trigger for a WWI? USA helping Ireland and India vs UK and Germany

[An Ard Ri]

I was also thinking of Monaco had World One not happened would we have had the 1918 Succession Crisis ?
The Duke of Urach could have become Prince of Monaco.

[Toledo]

...And the Prince of Liechtenstein would be today on one of his many palaces within the Austro-Hungarian empire. I think we still would have a European Union and a common currency like the Euro but expanded worldwide. And don't forget Eurovision going worldwide to include participants from the restored Empire of China, the Vice Royalties of Canada and Australia and the USA, etc.

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Toledo

...And the Prince of Liechtenstein would be today on one of his many palaces within the Austro-Hungarian empire. I think we still would have a European Union and a common currency like the Euro but expanded worldwide. And don't forget Eurovision going worldwide to include participants from the restored Empire of China, the Vice Royalties of Canada and Australia and the USA, etc.

Ofcourse many Monarchies overthrown before 1914 Brazil,France,Portugal and Mexico and others too would have fallen over time with or without both World Wars.

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Toledo

...And the Prince of Liechtenstein would be today on one of his many palaces within the Austro-Hungarian empire. I think we still would have a European Union and a common currency like the Euro but expanded worldwide. And don't forget Eurovision going worldwide to include participants from the restored Empire of China, the Vice Royalties of Canada and Australia and the USA, etc.

Ofcourse many Monarchies were overthrown before 1914 Brazil,France,Portugal and Mexico and others too would have fallen over time with or without both World Wars.

[Silverpot]

An interesting thread I haven't seen before.


A fun fact is that Finland would've been a monarchy today if the WWI hadn't happened. They had chosen Fredrik Karl of Hesse to become king, but just before he could enter the throne, Germany lost the war and Fredrik Karl decided to decline the offer.

[JR76]

Originally Posted by Silverpot

An interesting thread I haven't seen before.


A fun fact is that Finland would've been a monarchy today if the WWI hadn't happened. They had chosen Fredrik Karl of Hesse to become king, but just before he could enter the throne, Germany lost the war and Fredrik Karl decided to decline the offer.

Though the reason that he was elected king was that Finland had declared independence because of the war and the largely caused by the war revolution

[An Ard Ri]

There were also proposals during the latter years of the Irish Free State to nominate a King of Ireland and that the candidate should descended in the paternal line of Brian Boru. Donough O'Brien, 16th Baron Inchiquin was chosen as a candidate but Eamon De Valera preferred the title of Prince-President of the Irish Republic but then changed his mind .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donoug...aron_Inchiquin