Royal Cyphers, Coronets, Arms and Monograms - Page 8

Laura · #**141** 08-21-2010, 11:13 PM

You're welcome, dznsln, on a second thought, this might well be the monogram of Grand Duke Friedrich Franz III (2 F's and an intertwined 3 in a strange, but not that uncommon in monograms, position), though I didn't manage to find online his monogram.

For the monogram fans, while searching, I've found this very interesting page with plenty of examples:
Thema:Monogramme - Numispedia

dznsln · #**142** 08-21-2010, 11:30 PM

Laura, this is fascinating... My monogram is very much like this one: Bild:F 1747 Schweden.jpg - Numispedia (What does that tell me?!!)

Laura · #**143** 08-22-2010, 08:36 AM

Well, that's the cypher of king Frederick I of Sweden...

Frederick of Sweden - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

dznsln · #**144** 08-22-2010, 12:14 PM

Yes, it's the cypher of King Frederick I of Sweden, but it's not exactly the same cypher as mine. Neither is this one ROYAL COPENHAGEN 1935-1960 King Frederik IX 25 Wedding - eBay (item 230435216127 end time Sep-07-10 07:53:32 PDT) but (especially if you take out the I for Ingrid) it has basic similarities. I'm wondering if perhaps there's another more recent than the 1700s that used my exact cypher. It's hard for me to believe that my napkin would really be almost 300 years old and in such fantastic condition. BUT I think we're onto something... Any more suggestions, anyone?

Laura · #**145** 08-22-2010, 08:04 PM

dznsln, I still think that the monogram on your napkins is formed by 2 F's and a 3 (in case of a sovereign's cypher) or an E (in case of a wedding monogram). This particular shape of F was very common in monograms dating from the late 1700's-mid 1800's, that's how you found those similarities with other people's cypher's. I'm quite sure the cypher belongs to somebody from the house of Mecklenburg-Schwerin, otherwise the coat of arms wouldn't be there, and one can clearly see that the mirrored F has an upper part that resembles a bull's horn - the bull being the symbol of Mecklenburg. My guess is that your lovely linen is around 150 years old.

dznsln · #**146** 08-22-2010, 08:23 PM

OK, thank you very much for your input. One more question ... any idea what the 24 would signify? Perhaps the year?

Laura · #**147** 08-22-2010, 09:34 PM

I think the 24 could rather be a series number, as there were 24 napkins...

By doing a bit of search, I've found that there was a Friedrich Ludwig, Hereditary Grand Duke of Mecklenburg-Schwerin (1778-1819) who married Elena Pavlovna, Grand Duchess of Russia (1784-1803) in 1799.

What you have might well be part of their wedding trousseau...

mary stuart · #**148** 10-21-2010, 04:33 PM

scotlands royal motto is in defens (in defence) mary queen of scots personal motto was in the end is my begining :)

Dross001 · #**149** 11-25-2010, 12:10 AM

Can anyone identify the monograms in these photos?

I recently photographed three English Royal monograms at Hampton Court Palace and one at the Guildhall in Windsor. I took these pictures because I was so rushed when I toured the palace that I thought I would use them as a reference for the other photos following them in order. Well, that didn't work as planned. I couldn't decipher the monograms well enough to determine which monarch they represent.

The Coat of Arms from the Guildhall is that of Queen Anne, (crowned in 1702). The monogram beneath it is either an A (for Anne) or a W (for William). If it is a W, then it represents William III who died in 1702.

Thank you.
Dross001

AJU · #**150** 12-01-2010, 05:58 PM

Anybody recognize this one?

Warren · #**151** 12-03-2010, 05:30 AM

It looks like 'GVR' ie King George V.

Douglass · #**152** 12-10-2010, 05:02 PM

Greetings, I hope I have chosen the appropriate forum to ask for your help.

I am trying to identify this monogram carved into the handle of an old walking stick. If anyone recognizes this or can suggest a resource I would be very grateful. Doug

Josefine · #**153** 01-07-2011, 01:17 PM

each swedish monarch has their own motto

for Carl XVI Gustaf - For Sweden - With the times

here are others mottos

donothorpe · #**154** 01-09-2011, 08:03 PM

I have a part of a cane that is supposed to have belonged to British royalty. I was told that it came from the estate of the Duchess of Windsor, but the insignia doesn't match what I found on the Internet. I have enclosed a photo of the insignia, and would appreciate it if someone could identify it. Please email the answer to me at donothorpe@gmail.com
Thanks,
Don Thorpe

We have a British cane handle with an insignia on it that was handed down to us from a French family. We don't know the origen of the insignia. Can anyone help us identify it?

Ella Kay · #**155** 01-11-2011, 10:48 PM

Looks to me like the cypher of the Duchess of Windsor -- three intertwined Ws for "Wallis Warfield Windsor."

interbelic · #**156** 01-13-2011, 02:09 PM

hello to all of TRF users,

i'm trying for some time to identify this blason, witch seems to be related to Serbian Royal Family.

thank you very much,
"interbelic"

LadyFinn · #**157** 01-13-2011, 02:26 PM

1. Monograms of the swedish royal family:
Tyck till! | Bakom Kulisserna

2. Monograms of the danish royal family:
De kongelige monogrammer | Bakom Kulisserna

v Monograms
1. Sweden
2 Denmark

Laura · #**158** 01-13-2011, 09:56 PM

It seems to me this is the coat of arms of the Serbian House of Obrenović:

House of Obrenovi

interbelic · #**159** 01-14-2011, 10:22 AM

it looks like but it is not.

snake and the sword are not on the House of Obrenovic's blason.

plus: the date 1389-1815 is the period of ottoman empire rulling Serbia.

maybe it is from a familly that was at command in those times.

i wrote to the Museum in Belgrad...nothing yet.

Glasshouse · #**160** 01-16-2011, 02:05 PM

I'm re-creating images of royal cyphers/royal monograms for Wikimedia, Category:Royal Cyphers - Wikimedia Commons. (Note that this page will be moving in the next couple of weeks.) I would like to thank all of you for posting images of monograms and cyphers and ask that you continue to do so. I'm starting with monograms of royalty from the present on back through the 20th century, but will eventually expand even further back. As you will see, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Monaco and the Netherlands are pretty well represented, though no cyphers of married couples have been completed yet. I'm hoping to get more from Britain, Belgium, Luxembourg, Liechtenstein, Spain and even non-reigning houses such as Romania, Greece, Russia, et. Basically, if you have an image that hasn't yet been re-created, post it!

I've found that some images previously posted on these forum pages are old and no longer live links and hope that anything missing can be re-posted. The bigger and clearer the better. Large, clear images from stationery work best for me.