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Old 03-11-2021, 05:12 AM
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Mysterious Cypher

Cypher query

Hello there! Another new member here wondering if any of you kind people could help to identify the cypher on a piece of Jewellery we have?

It’s probably late Victorian period.

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Old 05-28-2021, 02:24 PM
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Old German Target Pistol with Royal? Monogram/Cypher engraved, Help ID please

Handling some guns for an old collector and thought this place may be able to help ID the maker and/or the Royal connection if there is one.


On the Barrel

O. Bertram
Buchsenmacher (Gunsmith?)
Berlin

On the cap of the grip, magnificently engraved is a crown over a monogram

Thanks in advance!
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Old 05-28-2021, 02:47 PM
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Congratulations on your first post.

Büschenmacher does indeed mean a highly skilled gunsmith. Who is able to design, build and modify weapons of a very high quality. An artisan.

When do you believe the weapon is from?
Is it flintlock or percussion?
What's the design?
Is it a duel pistol or a more general weapon? Or even a hunting pistol?
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Old 05-28-2021, 02:56 PM
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Congratulations on your first post.

Büschenmacher does indeed mean a highly skilled gunsmith. Who is able to design, build and modify weapons of a very high quality. An artisan.

When do you believe the weapon is from?
Is it flintlock or percussion?
What's the design?
Is it a duel pistol or a more general weapon? Or even a hunting pistol?
Sorry, I really have no idea where to start with the who for, short of asking here :-)

I will add some more pictures, it is a 30 to 32 Cal Centerfire Parlour Pistol which should help narrow down a time. 32 S&W Short fits in the chamber perfectly with some chamber length to spare, I don't have any 32 S&W Long handy to try, not that I have any intention of firing it :-)
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I should note, I removed the barrel from the action and can find no proofs outside the makers mark on the top of the barrel. Hammer and barrel release look to have worn Gold plating on them, frame is silver? plated brass, grips are Ivory
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Old 05-28-2021, 03:57 PM
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So metal cartridge.
That combined with the design of the hammer suggests to me that it is after 1865/1870.

No makers name suggests to me it's a pistol made/converted by the gunsmith.

I suggest you contact German collectors clubs. Waffensammler.
Or gun-traders: Waffenbörse.

There is even an American guy on YouTube ForgottenWeapons. He is very serious and has an impressive knowledge about European gunmarks.
I seriously suggest you try and contact him.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons

When you find out something, please let us know.
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Old 05-28-2021, 04:01 PM
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So metal cartridge.
That combined with the design of the hammer suggests to me that it is after 1865/1870.

No makers name suggests to me it's a pistol made/converted by the gunsmith.

I suggest you contact German collectors clubs. Waffensammler.
Or gun-traders: Waffenbörse.

There is even an American guy on YouTube ForgottenWeapons. He is very serious and has an impressive knowledge about European gunmarks.
I seriously suggest you try and contact him.
https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons

When you find out something, please let us know.

Thanks, I am friends with Ian @ Forgotten Weapons, I should reach out to him as well, I suppose the gun is less the mystery to me, and I am mostly intrigued by the potential Royal it was made for, and who's Monogram is on the gripcap. Makers name is O. Bertram marked atop the barrel above Büschenmacher
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Old 05-28-2021, 04:04 PM
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If indeed it belonged to a royal, that could be pretty much any Central European royal family.
Or any German Fürstenhaus/principality - and there were a lot of them around prior to 1871!
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I would like to give this discussion some new life. I just bought this gun. I too would like to know whose monogram this is.

Thank you!



—Matt
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Hi,
I hope someone can help me with this monogram "LS" or "SL" under a royal crown.

I have tried a number of mainly German Kings, Dukes and Princes but to no avail.
Many thanks in advance for your help and expertise,
P
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Old 02-11-2022, 12:02 PM
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Please Help

Dear Forum Members

Would anyone know to which member of Royalty or Nobility of pre-1918 IMPERIAL GEREMANY this cypher / monogram belonged to?

Many Thanks to ALL in advance!
Dave.
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