Royal Cyphers, Coronets, Arms and Monograms - Page 24

Curryong · #**461** 10-20-2017, 04:36 PM

Yes, Somebody, I was thinking of Queen Maxima and stupidly wrote Letizia, one of the penalties of posting things in the very early morning I guess!

However, to get back to British royalty. The Duchess of Gloucester is of course Danish, and on both sides of the family I would guess. Her father was a lawyer and I don't think he had his own coat of arms previous to her marriage. Birgette had rather a complex family history as I recall and used her mother's maiden name of Van Deurs before she married.

However, even if her maternal grandfather had a coat of arms, I doubt that she would have been able to use that, and in fact I have read today, from Wikii admittedly, that the Duchess has her coat of arms from her father quartered, as is usual, with her husband's.

Where did Mr Henrikson, Birgette's father, get his Arms from, I wonder. From the Danish College of Arms or was it granted by the College of Arms in London? In the case of the latter, did he have to prove descent from a subject of the Crown (of GB) and what would have happened if he couldn't? I guess the Coat of Arms was granted anyway.

**An Ard Ri** · #**462** 10-21-2017, 05:03 AM

The Royal Monogram of Queen Letizia of Spain.

The Royal Monogram of Queen Sofía of Spain.

cdm · #**463** 04-14-2018, 05:33 AM

Will this be Harry and Meghan’s monogram or is it just designed for the wedding memorabilia?

https://instagram.com/p/BgqikKmhi3Y/

**An Ard Ri** · #**464** 04-14-2018, 06:28 AM

And also its from the Buckingham Palace shop so it must be an official one?

Pranter · #**465** 04-14-2018, 09:51 AM

I read that Harry and Meghan picked and approved the designs for the memorabilia so I'd say good chance it's their monogram.

LaRae

Diamondgal · #**466** 05-16-2018, 02:41 PM

Hello there! Another new member here wondering if any of you kind people could help to identify the cypher on a piece of Jewellery we have?

It’s probably late Victorian period.

Many thanks in advance!

Pranter · #**467** 05-16-2018, 02:44 PM

Looks like a C B and an A

LaRae

AdmirerUS · #**468** 07-26-2018, 07:24 PM

The Sussex Monogram. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...2626113253.jpg

Not what I expected, but what I should have expected. Very tidy.

Curbside · #**469** 07-26-2018, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by AdmirerUS

The Sussex Monogram. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...2626113253.jpg

Not what I expected, but what I should have expected. Very tidy.

What do they use those for?

Curryong · #**470** 07-26-2018, 08:55 PM

Doesn't it go on official correspondence of the couple, such as personal invitations they would send out, joint Christmas cards and suchlike?

**An Ard Ri** · #**471** 07-27-2018, 09:52 AM

The Royal Monogram of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge.

Royal Monogram of HRH Princess Michael of Kent.

Osipi · #**472** 07-27-2018, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AdmirerUS

The Sussex Monogram. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2...2626113253.jpg

Not what I expected, but what I should have expected. Very tidy.

Harry and Meghan's joint monogram couldn't be more perfect than it is. I'm reminded of those pictures where you look at it and can see two totally different images that create an optical illusion such as this one.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pict...YLL1FeQq1gbnM:

Looking at Harry and Meghan's, you see a perfect blending of the H and the M where they could stand alone as an initial for either one and also enhances how perfectly blended these two people are in marriage.

Perfect, just perfect.

Pranter · #**473** 07-27-2018, 11:31 AM

I like their joined Monogram.

LaRae

Fros · #**474** 07-27-2018, 01:15 PM

I agree usually joint monograms look like 2 letters thrown on top of each other but this looks well designed.

So of their wedding merchandise had very horrible joint monograms which looked horrendous (one looked like a spider) so this is a very pleasant surprise.

I've seen some people complain saying it only looks like a fancy M but if you focus you can see both letters clearly.

CWresearcher · #**475** 08-13-2018, 08:49 AM

Hi everyone. I'm new here. I have been researching a bit of eighteenth-century embroidery, trying to figure out what country it comes from. I noticed this cypher in the middle of it but can't identify it. Does anyone know who this cypher would have belonged to? It looks like an "R" and maybe a "E" or "B," but I'm not sure. Thanks for your help!

Duc_et_Pair · #**476** 08-13-2018, 12:25 PM

King Willem-Alexander uses the same W as his predecessors Willem/Wilhelmina.

In 2014 the King handed over a new standard for the Koninklijke Marechaussee (the Dutch equivalent of the Gendarmerie). In the W we can see that a sort of difference has been made:

The original W:

The new W (one can see a horizontal element in the W to visualise an A). Also in the golden "piedestal" for the lion on top, this W with a small horizontal bar is visible to make a WA: see: https://www.defensie.nl/binaries/large/content/gallery/defensie/content-afbeeldingen/onderwerpen/vaandels-en-standaarden/standaard_kmar.jpg (Click on the picture once more to blow it up).

Because the Koninklijke Marechaussee was historically a mounted force, the standard is smaller than the usual regimental standard used by troops on foot. Picture.

vicera1860 · #**477** 09-04-2018, 02:32 PM

I have acquired a Cauldon Pottery plate with a monogram and a Coronet of an Earl I believe. I would like help in identifying the who this plate was made for and its history. The monogram is LCS?, with the S over the LC, the
coronet has 5 pearls, but they are no on rays.
Any information or direction to look would be greatly appreciated. Picture of Monogram can be provided.

Lilleprins · #**478** 09-24-2018, 04:54 PM

Hello everyone,

I am looking for someone who can help me to identify the monogram on a pair of golden (14K) cufflinks that I have inheritated from a distant cousin. They have a ducal/royal German crown und the letters "J" (twice, mirrored) and "G" as well as a Roman 2 ("II") at the bottom. I went through the differnt German princely states at the end of the 19th century and check their rulers, but the initials never matched the G and J.

It would be great if someone out there could help me.

Duc_et_Pair · #**479** 09-24-2018, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilleprins

Hello everyone,

I am looking for someone who can help me to identify the monogram on a pair of golden (14K) cufflinks that I have inheritated from a distant cousin. They have a ducal/royal German crown und the letters "J" (twice, mirrored) and "G" as well as a Roman 2 ("II") at the bottom. I went through the differnt German princely states at the end of the 19th century and check their rulers, but the initials never matched the G and J.

It would be great if someone out there could help me.

It is indeed a Herzogskrone. The combination JG looks like Johann Georg or something. As cufflinks are 18th C or later, it possibly was Johann Georg Herzog von Sachsen (1869-1938).

But the roman cypher possibly refers to a regnal number. Then we have a Johann Georg II Kurfürst von Sachsen, Herzog von Sachsen (1613-1680) but in that era there were no cufflinks.

A possibility: these were no cufflinks but insignia worn by courtiers (alike worn today at some Courts) and re-made in cufflinks?

Duc_et_Pair · #**480** 09-25-2018, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Duc_et_Pair

It is indeed a Herzogskrone. The combination JG looks like Johann Georg or something. As cufflinks are 18th C or later, it possibly was Johann Georg Herzog von Sachsen (1869-1938).

But the roman cypher possibly refers to a regnal number. Then we have a Johann Georg II Kurfürst von Sachsen, Herzog von Sachsen (1613-1680) but in that era there were no cufflinks.

A possibility: these were no cufflinks but insignia worn by courtiers (alike worn today at some Courts) and re-made in cufflinks?

See the insignia for Dutch courtiers (there these are called chiffres): http://i6.tinypic.com/833o8zm.jpg

You will see why I think these cufflinks were made from old chiffres.