Royal Cyphers, Coronets, Arms and Monograms

[Duc_et_Pair]

The crowned W (of King Willem I of the Netherlands, Prince of Orange-Nassau, Grand-Duke of Luxembourg) has been splendidly restored on one of the most beautiful and elegant (if not THE most beautiful and elegant) gala glass-berlines still in royal use.

The crowned W on the overcloak of the coachman's seat

The Crown of the Netherlands is embroided

The awesomely elegant result: a stunning royal gala glass-berline from 1821 looking as sparkling new. The big crowned monogram on the coachman's seat and the royal coat-of-arms on the door leave no guessing who the passenger is...

[Molly2101]

Originally Posted by Sarahbellar

Has anyone seen a cypher for either of the Wessex? I assume they have them.

They have a joint one but I have never seen a monogram for Edward or Sophie seperately. Their monogram isn't very nice to be fair - it looks like the Nazi symbol.

[Duc_et_Pair]

The difference between the realistic heraldic crown and the geometric monogram makes it looking a bit off-key. I wonder why Edward and Sophie have a "fantasy crown". It is not the correct heraldic crown for a Prince of the blood royal. It is also not a correct heraldic comital crown for an Earl.

[Jacknch]

The joint monogram of Edward and Sophie is clearly based on the letter styling used by the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

[Rudolph]

Edward has always done things a little differently. First son of a monarch in this dynasty going back to King George I not created a Duke.

Louise and James are styled and titled as the children of a non-royal earl. Its not surprising his and Sophie's monogram looks the way it does.

[AdmirerUS]

Originally Posted by Molly2101

They have a joint one but I have never seen a monogram for Edward or Sophie seperately. Their monogram isn't very nice to be fair - it looks like the Nazi symbol.

to me this has always had an art deco feel and I do like it.

[Molly2101]

Originally Posted by Jacknch

The joint monogram of Edward and Sophie is clearly based on the letter styling used by the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

I hadn't thought of that but I just googled Wallis and Edward's and it is very similar to theirs.

I don't like Edward and Sophie's monogram and it only ever seems to be used on their Christmas cards as any correspondence from them has the Bagshot Park symbol on it, not their monogram. Sophie has the monogram on a necklace = image.

[Thumbahlina]

oh, they use monograms, I never knew that. It turns out to be an important bit of information for me however in case I come across one like those I'll be sure to leave it alone, like I would anyone elses. Someone said police use the royal ones too, over there, I didn't know that, that's a real valuable bit of info,thanks for the fyi. We married folks, we pick monograms for ourselves and put them on special things to us, too. I can appreciate the sentiment. Yet for them it is a marker that means official business the world should be aware of. I feel like that would be such an invasion of privacy. They handle having the world recognize their monogram well, personally, I wouldn't want mine known by everyone. I have sympathy for their invasion of privacy, but don't feel pity for them.

[Glasshouse]

Has anyone seen an official, individual monogram for Princess Charlene? I know there's one for The Princess Charlene Foundation, but Albert's monogram for his foundation is not the same as his official monogram, so I don't want to assume that Charlene's is the same as the one used for her foundation.


Also, has anyone seen individual monograms for Felipe or Letizia?

[Sarahbellar]

Charlene's Is that one on her foundation. It is the same as what is on her stationary.

[An Ard Ri]

Originally Posted by Glasshouse

Has anyone seen an official, individual monogram for Princess Charlene? I know there's one for The Princess Charlene Foundation, but Albert's monogram for his foundation is not the same as his official monogram, so I don't want to assume that Charlene's is the same as the one used for her foundation.


Also, has anyone seen individual monograms for Felipe or Letizia?

I've only ever seen the Dual Cypher of Prince Albert II and Princess Charlene of Monaco.




Felipe and Letizia of Spain.

[Lee-Z]

Originally Posted by eya

An Ard Ri i don't see it before . Can you find please and Philip-Mathilde?

Is that this one
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fileual_Cypher_of_King_Philippe_and_Queen_Mathilde_of_the_Belgians.svg

[Sarahbellar]

Here is Charlene's monogram with and without the crown.

[Glasshouse]

Great, thank you very much. At what age do they typically give monograms to the princely children in Monaco? Is it at birth like the Swedes, or when they reach adulthood like the BRF?

[An Ard Ri]

HRH Princess Caroline's Monogram





HSH Princess Stephanie of Monaco

[Noble Consort Ming]

Originally Posted by Glasshouse

Great, thank you very much. At what age do they typically give monograms to the princely children in Monaco? Is it at birth like the Swedes, or when they reach adulthood like the BRF?

It must be at birth because Jacques and Gabriella's monograms were embroidered on their baptismal gowns. There were also large versions of their monograms outside the cathedral placed on large sloping beds of flowers.

[Glasshouse]

Do you have any photos of these that you could share?

[Duc_et_Pair]

Originally Posted by An Ard Ri

HRH Princess Caroline's Monogram


HSH Princess Stephanie of Monaco

I am a bit surprised by the crowns topping these arms because the crown depicted is that of a royal House. The same crown tops the Arms of Monaco:


French heraldry (I must say: continental heraldry), has other heraldic crowns to designate Sovereign Princes, Princes, Dukes who are Pair de France (Duc-et-Pair), "normal" Dukes, etc.


A Sovereign Prince usually has a crown topping the Arms like this one:

[Meraude]

The monogram of princess Estelle of Sweden is very similar to the monogram of princess Eugenie of Sweden, the only daughter of king Oscar I. You can see it here on an organ in Västerhejde church that she had donated to the church.

[Noble Consort Ming]

Originally Posted by Glasshouse

Do you have any photos of these that you could share?

A decent picture of them is tough to find but I managed to crop out images of them from their baptismal cake.