Royal Cyphers, Coronets, Arms and Monograms

[Warren]

Originally Posted by Royal-blood

I am trying to identify this mark.

The coronet is that of an Earl, of which there are many in Britain.

[Moonmaiden23]

At yesterday's funeral of Alix della Faille de Leverghem, Countess de Lannoy two officers were seen bearing the Coat of Arms of the de Lannoys with OBIIT printed across the top.

Could Warren or some other knowledgeable person translate what that was, or what it meant?

Thanks.

[Artemisia]

OBIIT is in Latin: it's the third-person singular perfect active indicative of obeo.
Obeo has several meanings but in its perfect active singular form it is translated as "he/she died".
If used on Coat of Arms, it indicates that a person who was entitled to use the Coat is dead. Usually, it is used for funerals and remembrance services only,

[Laura]

The new website of the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge finally shows Kate's coat of arms after the wedding. As far as I know there was no official announcement for the issuing of the Royal Warrant (as it was the case with Camilla back in July 2005).

The Queen personally approved the unique Coat of Arms for The Duchess of Cambridge by signing a Royal Warrant.
[...]
The Supporter assigned to The Duchess of Cambridge is a white hind, which has had continuing Royal connections in England since the 14th Century. The lion is the Supporter of The Duke of Cambridge’s Coat of Arms.
[...]
The white hind has had a long tradition of connections to the Royal Family in England since the fourteenth century. It was the Badge of Joan of Kent (c. 1328-1385), Princess of Wales, better known as the Fair Maid of Kent.

In 1467 an inventory of ornaments and relics at Westminster Abbey included a red altar-cloth and frontal with gold lions and white hinds for the altar of King Henry V. In 1529 King Henry VIII had three hinds carved amongst the eighteen beasts at Hampton Court. The white hind contrasts with the white hart, the favourite Badge of the Fair Maid of Kent’s son Richard II.

The hart or stag is the male red deer and the hind the female. A hind is a forest dweller and stands well next to a Shield where acorns are the principal feature.

Coat of Arms

Interesting that they chose the hind as a supporter.

Wikipedia has a better version of the coat of arms...
Reproduced here under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2

[Yannick]

Dear All,

I am new to the forum and I am trying to identify two monograms from two antique furniture. The first one is possibly 1690 or slightly later. It is on a Boulle marquetry wardrobe, possibly from Austria. The other is on a mirror, the monogram is in gilt bronze and I think it is maybe 1700, possibly German? See photos below, including some photoshop colouring to help

Both pieces belongs to two museums. I help them (volunteer) and unfortunately don't have any money to call the "experts". Any help would therefore be greatly appreciated (and credited if you want).

Many thanks for your help,

Yannick

[Warren]

Do you know if these are meant to be owner's marks or manufacturer's marks?
The reason is that the coronet/crown designs or representations seem somewhat dubious.

The first and third, with its three strawberry leaves, appears to be a bastardisation of a British Marquess coronet [image1] (ignoring the cap), except that it has two "pearls" rather than one between each strawberry leaf (the small balls on the uprights are called "pearls", although they are not). Many European and Asiatic coronets and crown bases share a similar pattern of fleur de lys-pearl-fleur de lys but I'm not aware of any coronet or crown base that has a fleur de lys-pearl-pearl-fleur de lys design.

The second and fourth resembles a British Earl's coronet [image 2] (minus the cap) but with one strawberry leaf less. This coronet forms the base of a faux Austrian [image 3] or Russian [image 4] Imperial Crown.

The Princely hats and crowns of the Germanic (Holy Roman Empire) states and families [images 5 & 6] bear very little resemblance to either of the coronet/crowns posted above.

Wikipedia has an excellent page on Heraldic Crowns but once again there is really nothing that comes close to resembling either. I'd suggest that even in the 1690s, any princely or aristocratic owner of the furniture would have a pretty good idea of the correct representation of their personal heraldic device but, to me, these two just seem to have little basis in reality.

Apart from that aspect, the central monograms or cyphers may well be genuine and accurate representations but I'm sorry I can't help in that area.

1. Coronet of British Marquess (regulated 1661 by Charles II)
2. Coronet of British Earl (ditto)
3. Imperial Crown of Austria (made 1602 for Rudolf II)
4. Imperial Crown of Russia (made 1762 for Catherine the Great)
5. Holy Roman Empire Princely Hat
6. Holy Roman Empire Princely Crown

[monarchist-us]

I was bored and drew up some cyphers in Illustrator for the future reigns of Charles and William. I'm hoping they each get their own unique cyphers and don't just do a derivative of the current EIIR cypher.

Obviously completely speculative, but what do you all think?

(I didn't draw any of the letters myself, they are from fonts.)

Apologies if this is the wrong thread for this.

[SLV]

They are very nice!

[monarchist-us]

thank you! :)

[vonLichtenberg]

I wonder if The Prince of Orange's monogram will change once he ascends the throne. I hope he does, I'm not a fan of it. Though the Dutch royal family does not use "R" for Rex/Regina so there is a chance it might stay.

[monarchist-us]

I hope it does. I don't like it either -- it's kind of a bizarre monogram. I was sort of hoping he would reign as Willem IV as originally planned so he would get a new one.

I think the only kingdoms which regularly use "R" in their monograms are the UK and Denmark. Interestingly, Juliana had a "JR" monogram but I'm not sure how much use it got:

[monarchist-us]

It looks like Willem-Alexander is in fact getting a new royal cypher...anyone see it? It looks SO modern and cool, I love it.

[vonLichtenberg]

There is a couple of minor changes to the Dutch Royal Standard.



Large Image to see better detail without messing up the forum: http://oi44.tinypic.com/opmyj6.jpg

[monarchist-us]

Here's an example of the new monogram, MUCH better!

http://static1.demotix.com/sites/def...ng_2004443.jpg

[vonLichtenberg]

From what I understood is that is just a logo created for the event by the planers. Who knows, we will see in the next few weeks.

[monarchist-us]

Originally Posted by vonLichtenberg

From what I understood is that is just a logo created for the event by the planers. Who knows, we will see in the next few weeks.

Hopefully it finds its way into being the official monogram/cypher...

[blacklobster]

Hello!

I am looking for help on this crowned monogram which some porcelain that I own.
It looks to be a marquis crown?

Any help would really be appreciated.

[Baron Brockdorf]

I don't think these have been posted yet. Here are the coat of arms of the current members of the Swedish Royal Family.
The King's greater coat of arms: http://hartforth.com/uploads/Sweden_coat_of_arms.jpg

The King's lesser coat of arms: http://www.kungahuset.se/images/18.7...%B6ld_470p.jpg

The Kings's coat of arms as Duke of Jämtland: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...staf_vapen.svg

The Queen's coat of arms: http://www.kungahuset.se/images/18.7...%B6ld_470p.jpg

The coat of arms of the Duchess of Vastergotland: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...fimerorden.svg

The coat of arms of the Duke of Vastergotland: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...fimerorden.svg

The coat of arms of the Duchess of Ostergotland: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...elle_vapen.svg

The coat of arms of the Duke of Varmland: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...fimerorden.svg

The coat of arms of the Duchess of Hälsingland and Gästrikland: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...afimerkors.svg

The coat of arms of the late Dowager Duchess of Halland: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rtil_vapen.svg

[Warren]

The monogram of HRH Princess Madeleine of Sweden & Christopher O'Neill.

Devised by Vladimir A Sagerlund, the heraldic artist at the Riksarkivet (National Archives).
→ Courtesy of Sophia's Blog
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[blacklobster]

Originally Posted by blacklobster

Hello!

I am looking for help on this crowned monogram which some porcelain that I own.
It looks to be a marquis crown?

Any help would really be appreciated.

Is there anyone that can help?