Royal Cyphers, Coronets, Arms and Monograms

[rpnewman]

Okay, I think my error is interpreting a "V" in the cypher. I'm now convinced that this is an upside down "A". So we have a symmetrical "AR" for Queen Anne. For those interested, this cypher is on an early English pocketwatch that could easily date to Anne's ascension to the throne in 1702.

[Vasillisos Markos]

I think you may be right, my dear rpnewman. The dates would line up with Queen Anne's ascension to the throne. I find these monograms hard to decipher at times, what with the reverse images of certain letters and being interwined.

[uppsala]

Hi community,

being new to TRF I'm quite impressed of both knowledge and speed you 'royalties' show. :)

I'm wondering if you could help me with this:

The picture attached shows a book dating back to 1912 with an obviously royal crown and monogram.

Anyone with an idea who that is?

The book is the Official Report of the Olympic Games Stockholm 1912 published the same year. Obviously very few copies have been personalized and handed to royals. There were two different language editions of this report: one in swedish and another in english.
The one on the pic is english - so it shouldn't have gone to the swedish royalties but probably to some other european royalty. British? Belgium? German? Who knows???
Thanks for your help! and cheers from Sweden.

[cepe]

This is only a guess but Wilhelm II of Germany and his first wife, Princess Augusta Viktoria of Schleswig-Holstein are a possibility for 1912

[Fürstin Taxis]

Just one question: do the Monaco Princes and Princesses have their own coat of arm and cypher or is it just a privilege for the reigning sovereign? I have no clue. Thanks :)

[Glasshouse]

Originally Posted by Fürstin Taxis

Just one question: do the Monaco Princes and Princesses have their own coat of arm and cypher or is it just a privilege for the reigning sovereign? I have no clue. Thanks :)

I believe the coat of arms for the princely family of Monaco is undifferenced with the various members of the family, but many of their monograms can be found here: Category:Royal monograms of Monaco - Wikimedia Commons. I haven't seen one for Princess Charlene yet.

[Warren]

Originally Posted by uppsala

I'm wondering if you could help me with this:
The picture attached shows a book dating back to 1912 with an obviously royal crown and monogram.

The 'crown' is not a royal crown; it is the coronet of a British Duke.
> The book possibly belonged to Arthur Wellesley [AW], 4th Duke of Wellington (1849-1934), succeeded to the Dukedom in 1900.

1. the coronet & monogram
2. & 3. Ducal coronets (five strawberry leaves displayed)
.

[Grandduchess24]

I was just wondering why HRH prince Edward,Earl of wessex has a different coat of arms compared to that of his brothers, unless that is the coat of arms for a count of Wessex.

[Artemisia]

All members of the Royal Family have different Coat of Arms, which are based on the Royal Arms that has remained unchanged since 1830's.

The Coat of Arms of Prince Edward is almost exactly the same as Prince Andrew's with one difference; where Prince Andrew has the blue anchor (symbolising his career at the Navy), Prince Edward has the Tudor rose. Prince Charles' Coat of Arms is quite distinctive, because he has also incorporated the traditional Coat of Arms of the Principality of Wales (symbolising his status as the Prince of Wales).

Prince Edward, as son of the Sovereign, is entitled to Arms with three point label.
Grandchildren of the Monarch, with the exception of Prince William (as the eldest son of the Prince of Wales) are entitled to Arms with five point label.

There isn't a Coat of Arms for an Earl of Wessex; the title was created in its second creation for Prince Edward on the day of his wedding to Sophie.
The last holder of the first creation of the title, William FitzOsbern, died back in 1071

[button_guru]

Hi all,
I'm new here and joined with the hope of some help from the specialists.
My hobby are uniform buttons and occasionally we also strike brick walls.
I've recently added a few more buttons and one in particular has a Royal cipher that I cannot crack, photo attached. I believe that it could be either French, Spanish or Portuguese.
Any help is much appreicated.
Rgds,
button_guru
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Buttons aren't just a hobby.....................

[Lord Sosnowitz]

HRH Princess Lilian of Sweden The Dowager Duchess of Halland's coat of arms.

[Lord Sosnowitz]

HRH Princess Estelle of Sweden, The Duchess of Östergötland's coat of arms

[Glasshouse]

Has anyone seen a monogram for Princess Charlene of Monaco yet?

How about monograms from any of the Princely Family of Liechtenstein?

[Lady Eun Ae]

Diana's motto in her coat of arms is "God defends the right."
What is Kate's, if she has?
Or why she doesn't have, if she doesn't have?

[icon99]

Originally Posted by icon99

This is the monongram! Thanks!

Just wondering if anyone could help! The Omega literally means "The Great O". Perhaps this could be "The Great King Otto".

[Noble Consort Ming]

Originally Posted by Glasshouse

Has anyone seen a monogram for Princess Charlene of Monaco yet?

How about monograms from any of the Princely Family of Liechtenstein?

The dual cypher of Albert and Charlene is at the top of the family's official web page. I don't know if that helps.

Homepage - Prince

Here is a closeup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Du..._of_Monaco.svg

Originally Posted by Glasshouse

The Royal Cyphers project Category:Royal Cyphers - Wikimedia Commons now has almost 400 royal monograms would be

This page has been deleted and replaced with this one:

Category:Royal Cyphers and Monograms - Wikimedia Commons

[major darling]

If anyone needs any coat of arms help, I have a large reference library on heraldry and rank it as one my many interests. Ill also post some wonderful examples of Royal coats of arms, once I find the nicest ones

[major darling]

Mottos are not a compulsory part of a coat of arms, and when granted to you by either the Lord Lyon or the College of arms, its really up to the petitioner if they want one. Arms are in themselves meant to give a 'motto', and the Middleton one hopes to accomplish that.

In reference to the coats of arms above, the labels would be differenced as they always have been according to the rules of heraldry.

1st Son of Sovereign: Plain white label
2nd Son of Sovereign: A crescent, although this mark of cadency can somtimes be catered to the grantee.

The arms would also probably be granted around their 18th birthday, and would not change if they became Dukes.

[Glasshouse]

Princess Estelle's monogram has been released.

[Noble Consort Ming]

Originally Posted by Glasshouse

Princess Estelle's monogram has been released.

I think it's been posted in some other threads too. I'm curious about people's opinions of it. I find it a bit plain and boring.