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Old 03-11-2019, 06:39 PM
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Is Grace Chatto related to Daniel Chatto by any chance? I thought it was interesting they had the same surname and are both in similar professions (acting/music) since IIRC Chatto is quite an unusual surname. Could just be a coincidence though, of course.
Great to see the RF there and I loved the interactions between Catherine and Meghan and Meghan and Charles.
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Old 03-12-2019, 06:41 PM
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Court Circular 11th March:
The Queen, accompanied by The Duke of York, this afternoon attended the Commonwealth Day Observance Service in Westminster Abbey and was received by the Dean of Westminster (the Very Reverend Dr. John Hall) and the Chairman of the Council of Commonwealth Societies (the Lord Howell of Guildford).

The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall, The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge and The Duke and Duchess of Sussex were also present.

The Prince of Wales and The Duchess of Cornwall this evening attended a Reception given by the Commonwealth Secretary-General (the Baroness Scotland of Asthal) at Marlborough House, London SW1.
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Old 03-12-2019, 07:10 PM
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Interesting that HM was accompanied by Andrew, the coverage in media barely mentioned him.
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Old 02-01-2020, 03:49 AM
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The commonwealth gained a 54th member last night;

https://twitter.com/commonwealthsec/...475082240?s=21
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:15 AM
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Of course the Commonwealth has been a force for good in the world in many areas. In others the fight goes on.

'The campaign for equal rights throughout the Commonwealth.'

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/blogs/lgb...alth-countries

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a6930771.html
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:32 AM
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The difference is the Commonwealth is trying to be a force for change throughout countries that use to be part of the British Empire. It strives to encourage equal rights across its members and by being part of the Commonwealth there is more pressure put on them from other members of the Commonwealth.
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:35 AM
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I don't deny that. However in many cases over many years that has not made much difference, according to the links provided above.

I do believe that the Commonwealth can be a force for good, and as an Australian I'm glad that Australia is a member of the organisation.

What I don't recognise is that the Commonwealth is some kind of cosy comfy international club under the gentle wing, somehow, of the British Crown and presided over by a kindly granny figure in the person of the Queen.

An organisation in fact that shouldn't, mustn't be criticised by anybody in any shape or form, because that would 'upset' Her Majesty. In fact Elizabeth II herself would reject this portrayal. She has been at times been very shrewd in dealing with the difficulties with various leaders in Commonwealth nations.
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Old 07-09-2020, 07:14 AM
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I don't deny that. However in many cases over many years that has not made much difference, according to the links provided above.

I do believe that the Commonwealth can be a force for good, and as an Australian I'm glad that Australia is a member of the organisation.

What I don't recognise is that the Commonwealth is some kind of cosy comfy international club under the gentle wing, somehow, of the British Crown and presided over by a kindly granny figure in the person of the Queen.

An organisation in fact that shouldn't, mustn't be criticised by anybody in any shape or form, because that would upset Her Majesty. In fact Elizabeth II herself would reject this portrayal. She has been at times been very shrewd in dealing with the difficulties with various leaders in Commonwealth nations.
And teh Commonwealth IS something that's very dear to the queen's heart..
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Old 07-09-2020, 07:24 AM
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Yes it is. That doesn't mean it shouldn't ever be criticised, however, about human rights abuses, racism or anything else.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:15 AM
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British Commonwealth, now known as the Commonwealth of Nations, is just a gathering of former British Empire Colonies massaging British’s ego. British is not a superpower in the world or even in Europe, and at the Commonwealth is where they can pretend to shine.

So QEII invites the Heads of States of the 53 countries for a photo-op at Buckingham Palace, they are all so mesmerized to be “close” to their former colonizers; and they all agreed to have Prince Charles as the next Head of the Commonwealth. They should not have consented, this position is not hereditary.

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Old 07-09-2020, 10:29 AM
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British Commonwealth, now known as the Commonwealth of Nations, is just a gathering of former British Empire Colonies massaging British’s ego. British is not a superpower in the world or even in Europe, and at the Commonwealth is where they can pretend to shine.

So QEII invites the Heads of States of the 53 countries for a photo-op at Buckingham Palace, they are all so mesmerized to be “close” to their former colonizers; and they all agreed to have Prince Charles as the next Head of the Commonwealth. They should not have consented, this position is not hereditary.

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It was tehir choice to keep him as next Head of the Commonweatlh. AND it was supposed to be Meg and Harry's special area, as royals.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:33 AM
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British Commonwealth, now known as the Commonwealth of Nations, is just a gathering of former British Empire Colonies massaging British’s ego. British is not a superpower in the world or even in Europe, and at the Commonwealth is where they can pretend to shine.

So QEII invites the Heads of States of the 53 countries for a photo-op at Buckingham Palace, they are all so mesmerized to be “close” to their former colonizers; and they all agreed to have Prince Charles as the next Head of the Commonwealth. They should not have consented, this position is not hereditary.

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You've just insulted 54 countries and their leaders, all in one post. I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone do that before. Is there really any need to be quite so offensive?
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:36 AM
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British Commonwealth, now known as the Commonwealth of Nations, is just a gathering of former British Empire Colonies massaging British’s ego. British is not a superpower in the world or even in Europe, and at the Commonwealth is where they can pretend to shine.

So QEII invites the Head of States of the 53 countries for a photo-op at Buckingham Palace, they are all so mesmerized to be “close” to their former colonizers; and they all agreed to have Prince Charles as the next Head of the Commonwealth. They should not have consented, this position is not hereditary.

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There are some countries in the Commonwealth that were not formerly in the British Empire. I'm not sure what that tells us about the appeal of the organisation.

Britain hasn't been a superpower since 1945, arguably since the fall of Singapore in 1942. There were vague hopes by some deluded types in the 50's that the Commonwealth would be a third force between the two superpowers but the realities of global hard power showed the fallacy of that. The debacle at Suez in 1956 exposed British power as a delusion, followed by the humiliation of devaluation in 1968 & the withdrawal of British military forces from east of Suez. That's why the focus then began on joining the then EEC.

There are no superpowers in Europe unless the EU becomes one. There are regional powers of which the UK is one along with Germany & France. The UK is also one of the few countries to have a blue water navy with an expeditionary capability. It is also a nuclear power & a permanent member of the UN Security Council.

But if you think that people in the UK see themselves as a superpower then you're mistaken. Very mistaken indeed. The very idea is risible.

Lots of people in Britain would not disagree with your sentiments about the Commonwealth & don't see the point of its existence to be blunt. Most are indifferent. Successive British governments have also been less than enthusiastic. A number of prime ministers (Heath & Thatcher for example) have been decidedly contemptuous of it. When Britain joined the EEC in 1973 the Commonwealth was effectively abandoned. Ask New Zealanders about the devastating impact on their economy.

HM likes being Head of the Commonwealth because it has nothing whatsoever to do with her position as the British HofS. She has complete autonomy in that regard.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:41 AM
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There are some countries that were not formerly in the British Empire. I'm not sure what that tells us about appeal of the organisation.


Lots of people in Britain would not disagree with your sentiments about the Commonwealth & don't see the point of its existence to be frank. Most are indifferent. Successive British governments have also been less than enthusiastic. A number of prime ministers (Heath & Thatcher for example) have been decidedly contemptuous of it.

HM likes being Head of the Commonwealth because it has nothing whatsoever to do with her position as the British HofS. She has complete autonomy in that regard.
Possibly the queen likes being Head of it because she believes in it and wants it to be a force for good. If Meghan and Harry took on a commonwealth role when they started their royal career, presumably they agreed that it was a force for good. So as they left their royal role, Im not sure why they didn't drop teh Commonweatlh trust as well....
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Old 07-09-2020, 11:08 AM
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I agree. I think sadly the thought may have been to train Harry up to be the head of the Commonwealth after his father, as he played a larger royal in it than William. Which actually I think would have been fantastic but I think now is the time they moved on from that.
The Head of the Commonwealth of Nations is not a hereditary position.
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Old 07-09-2020, 11:12 AM
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The Head of the Commonwealth of Nations is not a hereditary position.
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Yes, that's well known. I was surprised that Charles was chosen to be honest. It's a shame Mandela is not still alive as he would have been a great choice. Although we are going off topic again.......
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Old 07-09-2020, 11:49 AM
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The advantage of having a royal as Head of the Commonwealth is that - and this again begs questions about Harry - royals are supposed to be apolitical. I'm not sure who else there is who has sufficient stature but isn't associated with a particular political party or faction. I was going to say Kofi Annan, but then I remembered that he'd passed away a couple of years ago!
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Old 07-09-2020, 12:02 PM
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The advantage of having a royal as Head of the Commonwealth is that - and this again begs questions about Harry - royals are supposed to be apolitical. I'm not sure who else there is who has sufficient stature but isn't associated with a particular political party or faction. I was going to say Kofi Annan, but then I remembered that he'd passed away a couple of years ago!
Yes, you make a good point here. The realms employ exactly these sort of people for GG. There are probably lots of appropriate people. There is a third of humanity to choose from after all.
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Old 07-09-2020, 12:55 PM
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The advantage of having a royal as Head of the Commonwealth is that - and this again begs questions about Harry - royals are supposed to be apolitical. I'm not sure who else there is who has sufficient stature but isn't associated with a particular political party or faction. I was going to say Kofi Annan, but then I remembered that he'd passed away a couple of years ago!
A person with sufficient stature?! All that is needed is a competent person. There are such major nations/unions and we cannot name their heads without googling. Such as the European Union (27 countries), African Union (55 countries), Arab Union (22 countries). Member Nations do have equal rights, and the leadership is elected from member countries.

Not so with the Commonwealth of Nations (53 countries), for the over 70+ years of its existence, they’ve been led by the British Royal Family, where does the British Empire end and the Commonwealth of Nations begin. According to Commonwealth declaration, members are “free and equal”, but are they equal?
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Old 07-09-2020, 01:55 PM
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We can pretty much have the same argument about the UN. But unlike the UK with it 5 permanent seat members - the Commonwealth does give everyone a say and equal footing. Countries like Jamaica have the same rights, veto and voting power as Australia and Canada. Size and dominion status doesn't make a difference. Countries that joined yesterday have the same rights as countries that have been there since day one.
As an aid and education unit - it does better then the UN too. And I have seen that first hand. More people in Africa receive water, sanitation, health care and education through Commonwealth developed initiatives then UN funded - I think it will be the same in India and Pakistan. Perhaps even in the Pacific Ocean islands.
It will survive long after the monarchy of England. England and Great Britain can even leave the commonwealth if they choose to and it will continue happily. It was envisioned as so much more then the remnants of the former Empire.
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