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Old 01-26-2019, 09:15 AM
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Generally bodyguards don't wear seat belts because they may need to be free to react in an emergency.. and probaby older royals of Phils age, would also feel restricted and want to be free to escaep quickly if there was an emergency. Younger royals like Will and Kate grew up when seatbelts were a legal requirement so they would probably be more willing to wear them...……..
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Old 01-26-2019, 11:00 AM
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Most people under the age of 40 grew up wearing seatbelts. I remember when the laws changed and some people were very resistant to wearing them. Many claimed they worried about not getting out of a burning car if they were wearing a seatbelt. Change is very difficult for people. People who believed the science and respected the law wore the seatbelts. Some found it awkward at first but as they got used to it, it became a habit and eventually became comfortable. People who refused to go through the difficult transition period never progressed. Unfortunately, given their position in life, no one ever forced the queen and Phillip to change. Those who today are under 40, never had to go through a transition period. As for the queen and Phillip, I think it is time for someone, whether family, police, Parlament, or public opinion, to force the issue and had them transition to wearing seatbelts. The physics are clear. They are safer with the belts than without.
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Old 01-26-2019, 11:43 AM
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While I can understand that many elderly people have difficulties to adapt because they come from a time without any seatbelts the answer clearly is: this is the law now. While I grew up without any bicycle helmets, I still don't wear one, not sure this is a good thing but lots of people in my age group do the same because we feel we don't need to adapt. But then, there is no law having to wear a helmet on a bicycle.

Philipp is supposed to be a role model and on top of that, he is not about the law on a public road. What he personally thinks about seat belts is irrelevant and I am not even going down the road that a family member died mainly for not wearing a seat belt.
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Old 01-26-2019, 01:01 PM
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If seatbelt wearing is a law, we all should definitely wear, even if they do annoy or muss clothes. Most states now require all passengers, even in rear of vehicles to wear belts, except school busses which blows my mind but another issue. Years ago they were only lap belts instead of the over shoulder ones now. The only person that I personally know that was medically excused from wearing was my daughter-in-law who received a kidney transplant back in 1985. She was issued a medical card stating that she was not to wear a seatbelt due to this operation. She still has it. She was stopped by police a few times and had to show card. Now I know that many new strides have been made concerning this specific operation, but I know for a fact that she still has that card. Have no idea if any other transplant recipients like heart, lung, etc., had that same requirement but I do know that in NJ a kidney transplant in 1985 was told not to wear seatbelt due to the position of operation, etc.
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Old 01-26-2019, 01:21 PM
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There will be legal exceptions to the seat belt laws in force in most areas. Stupidity is not one of them.

Its the same thing to me as smoking is in restaurants. A person lights up after a meal, he/she is going to be slapped with a hefty penalty. A person gets into a car accident without a seat belt, the chances of the accident being more severe or even having a fatality is far greater. Perhaps cars should be made to have huge flashing lights on the outside that will not turn off unless all passengers are properly buckled up. Neon purple lights.

I'm here typing because I was wearing a seat belt.
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Old 01-26-2019, 01:50 PM
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There will be legal exceptions to the seat belt laws in force in most areas. Stupidity is not one of them.

Its the same thing to me as smoking is in restaurants. A person lights up after a meal, he/she is going to be slapped with a hefty penalty. A person gets into a car accident without a seat belt, the chances of the accident being more severe or even having a fatality is far greater. Perhaps cars should be made to have huge flashing lights on the outside that will not turn off unless all passengers are properly buckled up. Neon purple lights.

I'm here typing because I was wearing a seat belt.
Yes, that would do it!. In fact there was just a special on my cable channel about cars being made to {1} insure they will only start by having the fingerprint of owner [or owners] touching a thingy on dash and {2} some testing tube for alcohol on driver. They claim the technology is already available but car manufactures refuse to rally behind these new inventions, which would also be beneficial to owners and citizens, especially the alcohol one. The older I get, the more I realize that we can make all the laws we want, fines the breakers thousands of dollars for breaking but there will always be some that don't care. Yes, I follow the law to the letter when on public property. Always have, always will. But on my own property, I do exactly what I want, which I am permitted to do when it comes to driving laws.
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Old 01-26-2019, 04:00 PM
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I don't really think seatbelts were an actual 'issue' but rather a habit. From the time they. We're young married Royals spent more time sitting in the back of the Rolls Royce than the front of a Land Rover and lap belts came first, then came the cross shoulder / lap combo which did not have either recoil release nor dashboard alarms. That led to seatbelt exemptions for Police and Taxi drivers and passengers by necessity.

Who can forget getting in the back seat and struggling to get the seatbelt to fit and and the middle seat always had a lapbelt. There were always mutters and curses and broken fingernails. Not a good look after getting off the train or plane and holding people up when the drive was timed. The bodyguard and driver had theirs rolled up and securely out of the way. By the time recoil technology was introduced the senior Royals were entrenched in their habits and we didn't even notice. Prince Philip is 97 and Queen Elizabeth 92 and even with an ageing population they have buried most of their close friends and family.

Why is this such a biggie in 2019?
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Old 01-26-2019, 04:18 PM
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There will be legal exceptions to the seat belt laws in force in most areas. Stupidity is not one of them.

Its the same thing to me as smoking is in restaurants. A person lights up after a meal, he/she is going to be slapped with a hefty penalty. A person gets into a car accident without a seat belt, the chances of the accident being more severe or even having a fatality is far greater. Perhaps cars should be made to have huge flashing lights on the outside that will not turn off unless all passengers are properly buckled up. Neon purple lights.

I'm here typing because I was wearing a seat belt.
Then it must be even harder to understand that others choose to put their lives in danger.

Sometimes my car starts beeping because I didn't put on a seat belt for my (heavy) bag and purse

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Generally bodyguards don't wear seat belts because they may need to be free to react in an emergency.. and probaby older royals of Phils age, would also feel restricted and want to be free to escaep quickly if there was an emergency. Younger royals like Will and Kate grew up when seatbelts were a legal requirement so they would probably be more willing to wear them...……..
The risk of dying in a car accident are much higher than not being able to escape because they are wearing a seat belt (if their security thought differently, we wouldn't see the younger royals wearing their seat belts most of the time). So, it's plain stubbornness and unlawful behavior by the older royals.

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Why is this such a biggie in 2019?
Because both the duke and the queen were seen not wearing a seatbelt right after an accident that could have killed the duke.
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Old 01-26-2019, 04:29 PM
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I think not wearing seatbelts is largely a generational issue here in the UK, as most people who were born after the laws were changed here wear seatbelts most, if not all, times they get in the car (myself included, having been born in the '90s). People of HM and Philip's age are more used to not wearing seatbelts as it's something they wouldn't have done when they first passed their driving tests. It still boggles my mind though how some people are so stubborn and refuse to wear seatbelts. Even if they think they're uncomfortable and get in the way, it surely is better to wear something uncomfortable that will safe your life than to put your life at risk each time you don't wear one?!
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Old 01-26-2019, 04:46 PM
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It looks like somebody talked to Philip. He's photographed wearing a seatbelt

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...car-crash/amp/

Somebody must have told him if he's going on public roads he better buckle up. The cameras will catch him and the story will continue to drag on. Unfortunately the passenger will still make this an issue because the response took a week
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:50 PM
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I think not wearing seatbelts is largely a generational issue here in the UK, as most people who were born after the laws were changed here wear seatbelts most, if not all, times they get in the car (myself included, having been born in the '90s). People of HM and Philip's age are more used to not wearing seatbelts as it's something they wouldn't have done when they first passed their driving tests. It still boggles my mind though how some people are so stubborn and refuse to wear seatbelts. Even if they think they're uncomfortable and get in the way, it surely is better to wear something uncomfortable that will safe your life than to put your life at risk each time you don't wear one?!
Perhaps at Philips age, he is not used to wearing one and does not care...
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Old 01-26-2019, 06:25 PM
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Perhaps at Philips age, he is not used to wearing one and does not care...
He’s better care now after flipping that car over and nearly killing himself and others.
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Old 01-26-2019, 06:38 PM
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I hear the Queen has been spotted again driving but with a seatbelt. Not sure about Phillip.


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Old 01-26-2019, 07:06 PM
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Restraints in cars have always been an issue. At our Airport the number of times Airport police were called because someone from overseas was refused a vehicle because they didn't have a car seat or booster seat for small children and were unwilling to rent them.

They would refuse to rent them because they didn't have to use them in whatever country they were from. Worse, every booth they went to they got the same response. It enraged many who felt that nobody had the right to tell them what to do and they "knew their rights" and said so, loudly, threateningly and generally caused enough of a dust-up that the police needed to be called. Now that is bull-headed.

The thing about our beloved royal pair is that is isn't actually an issue per se. It's just the way they have always done things and, when you think of the number of times there have been senior police officers or police escorts, etc. present, it is surprising that some policeman with a backbone hasn't at the very least mentioned seatbelts to their PPO or at the very least, their supervisor.

Philip is not being a curmudgeon here, any more than HM is being a bloody-minded b***h when seen returning from her racing stables driving with no seatbelt the following day. It's just the way they have always done it out of sheer habit for more decades than we might care to think. But, it looks like they are trying to break that habit and, as far as I'm concerned, they should be left in peace to get on with it.
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Old 01-26-2019, 07:26 PM
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I can understand why if travelling in a police escort they may not wear a seatbelt - i think they should and probably they legally need to but when driving on public roads themselves without police escort holding back traffic there is no excuse at all other than sheer bl**dy mindedness
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Old 01-26-2019, 09:45 PM
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Phillip has apologized for the accident

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...mp/uk-47017855

Never complain never explain wasn't going to work here. Letters were sent to the driver and the passenger. Right now he's waiting to hear the results of the inquiry

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...fortnight.html
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Old 01-26-2019, 10:23 PM
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I see the lady with the broken arm in all the media, but the other lady keeps a low profile!
You can see the different personalities here, one want the 15 minutes of fame, the other wants her privacy! Are this ladies friends or related?

She got the letter as she wanted so I suppose she is happy now! Reality probably his secretary wrote it! but never the less a nice gesture.
I am sure he was shaken and shock that happen, and it is probably true he was blind by the sun!
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Old 01-26-2019, 10:56 PM
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I see Ms. Fairweather has already provided the letter to The Mirror while the driver of the Kia has held onto hers.
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Old 01-26-2019, 10:57 PM
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Well, isn’t that nice of, Prince Philip. That’s very thoughtful of him to take to time to write the letter on the accident.
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